Jay,
Nethercutt first ran in '94, and embraced term limits, promising to only run for three terms. Then he decided to change his mind and run for a fourth term. And a fifth. I cited him not because I didn't like his Republican politics (and I didn't) but because he was a weasel.
I didn't like Helen Chenoweth's politics either (if you don't remember her, she was elected at the same time as Nethercutt) and thought she was a nut. She also pledged to serve no more than three terms. Here's an excerpt from her Wikipedia entry: 'She later said that she regretted limiting herself to three terms[7] and called the whole concept of term limits bad policy. She nonetheless honored her pledge and did not run for reelection to a fourth term in 2000.'
So while I didn't like her politics, I respected her for keeping her word. I don't agree with term limits, but if you're going to run for office claiming that you do, and use it as an issue against your opponent, you should keep your word. She did, and Nethercutt didn't.
Sunil
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Fw: Mr. Paul's Discredited Campaign
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 22:13:46 -0800
From: jborden at datawedge.com
To: sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
No, I don’t recall George Nethercutt. (I Googled him to see if I could learn more… but nothing really stands out as far as his record). Since (according to the interwebs) he was a Republican, I can only assume that he rubbed left-leaning folks the wrong way in his politics… perhaps under the guise of “term limits”. (If I’m missing something major (like he became infamous for driving the dodo bird to extinction or something), please send me more information before the public lambasting begins). I only moved back here to Moscow in 2005 … so anything local at the time surrounding him I probably missed. Of course, the Achille’s Heel in the “term limits” plan is that we would have to take a potential politician at their word… I suppose my larger point was that if we truly want a government that represents the people, then we *all* should set aside whatever individual beliefs/agendas that we have and focus on that single issue: that a representative cannot hold office for longer than X terms. Congeal around THAT issue and get it done… and then we can return to our megaload riots and NASCAR races. Jay From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Sunil Ramalingam
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 2:02 PM
Cc: vision 2020
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: Mr. Paul's Discredited Campaign Jay,
Remember George Nethercutt? He's a good reason not to apply your standard. I think we'd better know all their positions before voting them in because they say they're for term limits.
SunilDate: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 11:02:49 -0800
From: jborden at datawedge.com
To: godshatter at yahoo.com; deco at moscow.com
CC: Vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: Mr. Paul's Discredited CampaignI’ve been a proponent of term limits for… well, forever. We limit the number of terms for our President, we need to limit the terms in our House and Senate. Having people in office for *decades* does nothing but consolidate power and invite corruption. If you *truly* want representation in America, we have to rotate through our elected representatives… frequently. To do this, Americans are going to have to put aside all other opinions until this is achieved. Environment? Abortion? Taxes? Left-handed dentists? All of these items need to be tabled, and the *one question* that needs to be asked of a candidate is “Will you introduce and vote for term limits?” It needs to be the *only* reason to vote for a candidate, and until the goal is accomplished, it needs to be the *only*reason that a candidate is voted FOR. THEN, when term limits come to fruition… when our elected representatives cannot stay in office and continue to consolidate power and control… then we can dust off our beliefs and take them to a government that is as elastic as the population it represents. Jay From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Paul Rumelhart
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 9:47 AM
To: Art Deco
Cc: Vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: Mr. Paul’s Discredited Campaign
If he does what I think he'll do if he gets into office, he'll veto anything that he finds to be unconstitutional. This will, at the very least, help stop abuses like the Patriot Act and increases in funding for DHS. Even if Congress can come up with enough votes to override the veto, issues like this will suddenly be at the forefront of the "national conversation" about what's going on in government. For this alone, I'd like to see him get in there.
Paul
On 12/30/2011 09:29 AM, Art Deco wrote: I agree with Rumelhart to the extent that things in this country [and globally] are broken beyond the traditional politicians' ways of repairing them. We need bold, realistic, non-poll-driven leaders who can convince us to re-evaluate our situation, offer feasible solutions, and to convince us to make the inevitable selfless sacrifices necessary. Though not traditional, I do not think Ron Paul is one of those leaders. His view of the world and his positions are too simplistic for the complex, diverse, globally competitive world we live in. The latest revelations have shown that his integrity does not rise above the minimum standard. The simplicity of his views are his main attraction to many, but reality is the barricade to his views ever producing workable solutions -- they would be even more disastrous than the messes we now face. In addition, some of his views are so abhorrent and/or crackpotty that he would not be likely to convince congress to implement them in the face of public opinion. Having said that, I am unable to suggest any leader or group of leaders that seem capable of fixing things. The best I can hope for is that we elect the lesser of the evils, at least by a little, to struggle on. I'm glad I'm old and not likely to live too much longer. I don't not want to see the result of where the world is heading and the foolishness of those in power resisting what needs to be done to change that direction. w. From: Sunil Ramalingam Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 7:54 AMCc: vision 2020 Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: Mr. Paul’s Discredited Campaign Why doesn't the NYT address Paul's stances on foreign policy? On defense spending?
SunilDate: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 20:38:24 -0800
From: godshatter at yahoo.com
To: deco at moscow.com
CC: Vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: Mr. Paul’s Discredited Campaign
I'm beginning to believe that Ron Paul is our only hope to stop the downslope this country is on. For example, the Transportation Security Administration just got an extra $7.85 billion in funding for 2012, including several hundred million dollars of funding for whole body imagers. This passed both the House and the Senate. Does anyone here actually believe that terrorism is a personally actionable danger? Do you change your behavior at all due to the threat? Do you think all the security theater is worth the money?
Ron Paul is about the only guy out there that votes against this kind of crap. Pretty much everybody else, (R) or (D), votes it in. All they seem to argue about is who is getting the pork.
As I see it, your choices are 1) the same old shit, but next year having slipped even farther away from rationality or 2) this one bat-shit crazy dude that might actually try to do something about it.
One thing I've noticed this year is that Ron Paul is actually getting press. There was a massive grassroots campaign for him the last couple of elections, but nobody in the media would take him seriously as an actual candidate.
The fact that they have started the smear campaign means that there is actually a chance of getting him in office.
My advice? Don't vote for the person that looks like the most responsible Dad, or the guy that looks like he's someone you could have a beer with, or the one that looks like a he's a successful lawyer. All of those guys are going to perpetuate the power grab that has been going on for the last few decades.
Vote for the dude that puts the fear of God into the others. Vote for the one that will work to decrease their power, not the others that only want to increase it for personal gain.
Sure, he's a bag of mixed nuts sometimes. But he's the only one with half a chance to shake things up a bit.
This should be a fun election year.
Paul
On 12/28/2011 11:35 AM, Art Deco wrote:
· Reprints December 27, 2011Mr. Paul’s Discredited CampaignRon Paul long ago disqualified himself for the presidency by peddling claptrap proposals like abolishing the Federal Reserve, returning to the gold standard, cutting a third of the federal budget and all foreign aid and opposing the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
Now, making things worse, he has failed to convincingly repudiate racist remarks that were published under his name for years — or the enthusiastic support he is getting from racist groups.
Mr. Paul, a Republican congressman from Texas who is doing particularly well in Iowa’s precaucus polls, published several newsletters in the ’80s and ’90s with names like the Ron Paul Survival Report and the Ron Paul Political Report. The newsletters interspersed libertarian political and investment commentary with racial bigotry, anti-Semitism and far-right paranoia.
Among other offensive statements, the newsletters said that 95 percent of Washington’s black males were criminals, and they described the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.’s birthday as “Hate Whitey Day.” One 1993 article appeared under a headline lamenting the country’s “disappearing white majority.” Other articles suggested that the Mossad, the Israeli intelligence service, was responsible for the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, praised the Louisiana racist David Duke and accused some gay men with AIDS of deliberately spreading the disease, “perhaps out of a pathological hatred.”
A direct-mail ad for the newsletters from around 1993 warned of a “coming race war in our big cities” and said there was a “federal-homosexual cover-up” to suppress the impact of AIDS.
Mr. Paul, who, beginning in 2008, has disavowed the articles and their ideas, now says that most of them were written by others and that he was unaware of their content. Even if that were the case, it suggests a stupendous level of negligence that should force a reconsideration by anyone considering entrusting him with the White House.
When the newsletters first became an issue during his Congressional campaigns in the 1990s, however, he did not deny writing some of them or knowing about them.
Mr. Paul has never given a full and detailed accounting of who wrote the newsletters and what his role was in overseeing their publication. It’s especially important that he do so immediately. Those writings have certainly not been forgotten by white supremacist and militia groups that are promoting his candidacy in Iowa and in New Hampshire.
The Times reported on Sunday that dozens of members of the white nationalist Web site Stormfront are volunteering for the Paul campaign, along with far-right militias, survivalists and anti-Zionist groups. Don Black, the Stormfront director, said his members were drawn to Mr. Paul by the newsletters and his positions against immigration and the Fed (run by Jews, Mr. Black said), even if Mr. Paul were not himself a white nationalist.
Mr. Paul, saying he still hopes to “convert” these supporters to his views, has refused to disavow them or to chase them out of his campaign. If he does not do so, he will leave a lasting stain on his candidacy, on the libertarian movement and, very possibly, on the Iowa caucuses. _____________________________________Wayne A. Fox
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