[Vision2020] Fw: This could be big
Gary Crabtree
jampot at roadrunner.com
Sat Apr 23 06:02:55 PDT 2011
You're a funny guy funny guy! You ask me to " tell you where the waste is and be specific" and insist that " I can't and won't."
I provide I provide 52 examples.
You "thought" you "thought" that "independent verification" for so much as one of my examples was unattainable.
I provide I provide the GAO, whitehouse.com, the CBO, CBS news, Bloomberg, the LA Times, USA Today, the Denver Herald,
the Seattle Times, and the New York Times, and more. Biased Right wing/Libertarian sources? I think not.
And your rejoinder is I should now accept testimony from the Huffington post? For a guy who styles himself a master of
logical discourse and analytical thought, I'm rather stunned by your weak showing showing.
g
From: Joe Campbell
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 12:22 AM
To: the lockshop
Cc: Gary Crabtree ; Vision 2020
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: This could be big
So you're saying your saying you'll accept all of my Huffington Post testimonials as long as I include footnotes? Thanks for the tip!
On Apr 22, 2011, at 8:05 AM, "the lockshop" <lockshop at pull.twcbc.com> wrote:
Sorry, I neglected to include the footnotes.
[1]Government Accountability Office, Improper Payments: Progress Made but Challenges Remain in Estimating and Reducing Improper Payments, GAO-09-628T, April 22, 2009, at /static/reportimages/848E2EF8FE88B7FD87B3621E2B5FC0EA.pdf (October 5, 2009).
[2]The Cato Institute estimates that corporate welfare costs $92 billion annually (not even counting the $700 billion TARP legislation). SeeStephen Slivinski, "The Corporate Welfare State: How the Federal Government Subsidizes U.S. Businesses," Cato Institute, May 14, 2007, at http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=8230 (October 5, 2009). The White House has requested $71 billion for fiscal year 2010 homeland security spending. See Office of Management and Budget, Budget of the U.S. Government, FY 2010: Analytic Perspectives (Supplemental Materials), May 2009, at /static/reportimages/1FA58FAE61C1A1EBAB37BE76B88C824D.pdf (October 5, 2009).
[3]Office of Senator Tom Coburn (R-OK), "Subcommittee Oversight Efforts Identify $1.1 Trillion in Waste or Questionable Spending," October 19, 2006, at http://coburn.senate.gov/oversight/?FuseAction=OversightAction
.Home&ContentRecord_id=611f1f4c-802a-23ad-475d-223d6490f308 (October 5, 2009).
[4]Figures include all federal programs rated "ineffective" or "results not demonstrated" by the George W. Bush Administration's Program Assessment Rating Tool (PART) assessment of all federal programs. See http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/expectmore/ and http://www.whitehouse
.gov/omb/expectmore/part.xls.
[5]Congressional Budget Office, "Budget Options, Volume 1: Health Care," December 2008, athttp://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/99xx/doc9925/12-18-Health
Options (October 5, 2009); "Budget Options, Volume 2," August 2009, at /static/reportimages/B6358B2C50828DC2865F4C220C0720C5.pdf (October 5, 2009).
[6]Examples are drawn from Committee on Governmental Affairs, U.S. Senate, "Government at the Brink," Vols. I and II, June 2001; U.S. General Accounting Office, "Managing for Results: Using the Results Act to Address Mission Fragmentation and Program Overlap," August 1997, at /static/reportimages/80B40B0A5C314F2221EE8FF7B22D39CB.pdf (October 5, 2009).
[7]Edwin Mora, "U.S. Will Pay $2.6 Million to Train Chinese Prostitutes to Drink Responsibly on the Job," CNS News, May 12, 2009, at http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=47976 (October 5, 2009).
[8]Government Accountability Office, Government-wide Purchase Cards: Actions Needed to Strengthen Internal Controls to Reduce Fraudulent, Improper, and Abusive Purchases, GAO-08-333, March 2008, at http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d08333.pdf
new.items/d08333.pdf (October 5, 2009); Marc Stewart, "Federal Gov't Questions TVA Spending," WBIR.com, February 27, 2009, at http://www.wbir.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=79461 (October 5, 2009); Dan Eggen, "Federal Credit Cards Misused," TheWashington Post, April 9, 2008, at http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04
/08/AR2008040802718.html (October 5, 2009).
[9]Robert Brodsky, "Report Paints Agencies as Deadbeat Travel Card Holders," Government Executive, May 28, 2009, at http://www.govexec.com
/story_page.cfm?articleid=42837&dcn=todaysnews (October 5, 2009).
[10]Laura Strickler, "SEC Spends Millions to Reorganize Desks," CBS News, April 8, 2009, at http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/04/07/cbsnews
_investigates/main4927475.shtml (October 5, 2009).
[11]Tony Capaccio, "Pentagon Paid $998,798 to Ship Two 19-Cent Washers," Bloomberg, August 16, 2009, at http://www.bloomberg.com/
apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=aY5OQ5xv9HR8 (October 5, 2009).
[12]Ted Covey et al., "Agriculture Income and Finance Outlook," U.S. Department of Agriculture, Economic Research Service, November 2006, pp. 40 and 48.
[13]Carrie Johnson, "Medical Fraud a Growing Problem," TheWashington Post, June 13, 2008, at http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article
/2008/06/12/AR2008061203915.html (October 5, 2009).
[14]Dana Hedgpeth, "GAO Blasts Weapons Budget," TheWashington Post, April 1, 2008, at http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article
/2008/03/31/AR2008033102789.html (October 5, 2009).
[15]Christopher Conkey, "Federal Workers Accused of Abusing Business Class," The Wall Street Journal, October 3, 2007, at http://online.wsj.com/
article/SB119136054325946827.html (October 5, 2009).
[16]Steve LeBlanc, "Feds Spending Millions on Kennedy Legacy," Associated Press, May 11, 2009, at http://wbztv.com/politics/tedkennedy/ted.kennedy
.legacy.2.956809.html (October 5, 2009); Bryan Bender, "Kerry Asks $20m for Kennedy Institute," The Boston Globe, September 25, 2009, at http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2009/09/25/
watchdog_groups_rap_20m_earmark_for_kennedy_institute/ (October 5, 2009).
[17]Ralph Vartabedian and Tom Hamburger, "Crimes Suspected in 20 Bailout Cases--for Starters," The Los Angeles Times, April 21, 2009, at http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-tarp-fraud21-2009
apr21,0,2443377.story (October 5, 2009).
[18]These and more examples of recent earmarks are at Brian Riedl, "Omnibus Spending Bill: Huge Spending and 9,000 Earmarks Represent Business as Usual," Heritage Foundation WebMemo No. 2318, March 2, 2009, at http://www.heritage.org/Research/Budget/wm2318.cfm.
[19] Brad Heath, "Gov't Losses Big in Home Market," USA Today, May 15, 2009, at http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/housing/2009-05-14
-govtown_N.htm (October 5, 2009).
[20] Ira Teinowitz, "FCC Goes NASCAR Racing to Publicize DTV," TV Week, October 2008, at http://www.tvweek.com/news/2008/10/fcc_goes_nascar
_racing_to_publ.php (October 5, 2009).
[21] Louise Radnofsky and T. W. Farnam, "Lawmakers Bill Taxpayers for TVs, Cameras, Lexus," The Wall Street Journal, May 30, 2009, at http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124364352135868189.html (October 5, 2009); Jonathan E. Kaplan and Mandy Kozar, "Lawmakers Spend on Big Screens, Popcorn," The Hill, November 8, 2005.
[22]Dana Hedgpeth, "$13 Billion in Iraq Aid Wasted or Stolen, Ex-Investigator Says," TheWashington Post, September 23, 2008, at http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/22/
AR2008092202053.html (October 5, 2009);Dan Friedman, "Report: Defense Department Cannot Fully Account for $7.8B Spent in Iraq," CongressDaily,May 22, 2008, at http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0508/052208cdpm2.htm (October 5, 2009).
[23]Associated Press, "Katrina Fraud Could Top $2 Billion," December 25, 2006, at http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15587326/ (October 5, 2009); "FEMA Funds Spent on Divorce, Sex Change," June 14, 2006, at http://cbs4denver.com/national/FEMA.Divorce.Sex.2.268906.html (October 5, 2009).
[24]Government Accountability Office, Expedited Assistance for Victims of Hurricanes Katrina and Rita: FEMA's Control Weaknesses Exposed the Government to Significant Fraud and Abuse, GAO-06-403T, February 13, 2006, p. 11, at /static/reportimages/AD70E579E2C93DD00C8963C3EB7761C3.pdf (October 5, 2009).
[25]Wesley Loy, "Alaska Airlines Takes Flying Fish to a Whole New Level: $500,000 Grant from Federal Funding Pays for Custom Paint Job on Company's Passenger Jet," Anchorage Daily News, October 2, 2005.
[26]Halimah Abdullah, "Who Might Fly Somerset to D.C. and Back?," McClatchey, May 24, 2009, at http://www.kentucky.com/latest_news
/story/806331.html (October 5, 2009).
[27]CBS News, "Beach Restoration: Sending $$$ Out to Sea?," May 26, 2009, at http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/05/26/eveningnews/
main5041144.shtml (October 5, 2009).
[28] Michael Grabell, "Rural Broadband Stimulus Program Slammed in Gov't Report," ProPublica, April 14, 2009, at http://www.propublica.org/ion/
stimulus/item/rural-broadband-stimulus-program-slammed-in-govt-report
-414/ (October 5, 2009).
[29]Government Accountability Office, DOD Travel Cards: Control Weaknesses Led to Millions of Dollars in Unused Airline Tickets, GAO-03-398, March 2004, at /static/reportimages/4ACE73C0DAE4F7DF5A63A1682F144966.pdf (October 5, 2009).
[30]CBS News, "FAA Memo: Feds Knew NYC Flyover Would Cause Panic," April 29, 2009, at http://wcbstv.com/topstories/air.force.one.2.996457.html (October 5, 2009); Committee on Government Reform, U.S. House of Representatives, "The Cost of Presidential and Vice Presidential Political Travel," March 2006, p. 3, at http://oversight.house.gov/documents/
20060316113550-47530.pdf (October 5, 2009).
[31]Government Accountability Office, Travel Cards: Air Force Management Focus Has Reduced Delinquencies, but Improvements in Controls Are Needed, GAO-03-298, December 20, 2002, p. 4, at http://www.gao.gov/new.
items/d03298.pdf (October 6, 2009); Travel Cards: Control Weaknesses Leave Navy Vulnerable to Fraud and Abuse, GAO-03-148T, October 8, 2002, p. 8, at /static/reportimages/40C1D6AB36A6C16873C3BF78605117B8.pdf (October 6, 2009).
[32] Emily Yehle, "House May Get Big Boost for Election-Year Mailings," Roll Call, May 4, 2009.
[33]Department of Heath and Human Services, Office of the Inspector General, "Compendium of Unimplemented Office of Inspector General Recommendations," May 2009, at http://oig.hhs.gov/publications/docs/
compendium/compendium2009.pdf (October 6, 2009).
[34]Christopher Lee, "Official Portraits Draw Skeptical Gaze," TheWashington Post, October 21, 2008, at http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/
article/2008/10/20/AR2008102003627.html (October 6, 2009).
[35]Associated Press, "Washington Sends $1 Food Stamp Checks to 250,000," February 23, 2009, at http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html
/localnews/2008775541_apwafoodstampchecks.html (October 6, 2009).
[36]Dan Morgan, Gilbert Gaul, and Sarah Cohen, "Farm Program Pays $1.3 Billion to People Who Don't Farm," TheWashingtonPost, July 2, 2006, at http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/01/
AR2006070100962.html (October 6, 2009).
[37]Anne Plummer Flaherty, "Congress Ready for Its End of War Party," Associated Press, October 4, 2006, at http://www.presstelegram.com/
news/ci_4443037 (October 6, 2009).
[38]Government Accountability Office, Purchase Cards: Control Weaknesses Leave DHS Highly Vulnerable to Fraudulent, Improper, and Abusive Activity, GAO-06-1117, September 2006, at /static/reportimages/59308EC86105AAE6C7692F05D53ECA46.pdf (October 6, 2009).
[39]Jonathan Nicholson, "Congress Seems Unlikely to Correct Gaffes in Budget Bill Costing $2 Billion," BNA Daily Report for Executives, September 25, 2006.
[40]Steve Fogarty, " Stimulus Grant Funds a Quieter North Ridgeville," Chronicle-Telegram, May 22, 2009, at http://www.chroniclet.com/2009/05/
stimulus-grant-funds-a-quieter-north-ridgeville/ (October 6, 2009).
[41]Jonathan Rockoff, "NIH Paying $1.3 Million Monthly for Unused Lab," Baltimore Sun, December 2, 2007.
[42]Bennett Roth and Eric Rosenberg, "The Pentagon Says It Doesn't Need Any More C-17 Jets, but It Is Getting Them--at a Cost of $2.4 Billion--Thanks to the Texas Congressional Delegation," Houston Chronicle, September 30, 2007, at http://www.chron.com/CDA/archives/archive.mpl?
id=2007_4433833 (October 6, 2009).
[43]CNN, Anderson Cooper 360, December 6, 2005, at http://transcripts
.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0512/06/acd.01.html (October 6, 2009).
[44]David Stout, "Medicare Error Sends $50 Million in Refunds to Recipients," The New York Times, August 24, 2006, at http://www.nytimes.com/2006/
08/24/washington/24medicare.html (October 6, 2009).
[45]Griff Witte and Spencer S. Hsu, "Homeland Security Contracts Abused," TheWashington Post, July 27, 2006, at http://www.washingtonpost.com
/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/26/AR2006072601683.html (October 6, 2009).
[46]Kevin Duffy, "Why Did the Federal Government Help This Golf Course?," Atlanta-Journal-Constitution, November 13, 2006.
[47]See Brian Riedl, "Congress Should Follow the President and Eliminate the Advanced Technology Program," Heritage Foundation Backgrounder No. 1828, March 1, 2005, at http://www.heritage.org/Research/Budget/bg1828.cfm.
[48]Government Accountability Office, Department of Education: Guaranteed Student Loan Program Vulnerabilities, GAO-03-268R, November 21, 2002, at /static/reportimages/9329EBC1096FB830E7A1C6AA436AD6E1.pdf (October 6, 2009).
[49]The Department of Agriculture's Conservation Reserve Program pays farmers not to farm more than 40 million acres of farmland. See Brian Riedl, "How Farm Subsidies Harm Taxpayers, Consumers, and Farmers, Too," Heritage Foundation Backgrounder No. 2043, June 20, 2007, at http://www.heritage.org/Research/Agriculture/bg2043.cfm.
[50]Associated Press, "Commerce Reports Losing 1,137 Laptops," September 21, 2006, athttp://washingtontimes.com/news/2006/sep/21/
20060921-115116-5387r/print (October 6, 2009).
Looks as though you thought wrong. Again.
g
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Campbell
To: Gary Crabtree
Cc: the lockshop ; Vision 2020
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 7:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: This could be big
Now I understand why we're gutting education! Chinese prostitutes!
Do you have "independent" verification for even one of these claims? I thought not.
On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 6:06 AM, Gary Crabtree <jampot at roadrunner.com> wrote:
From http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2009/10/50-examples-of-government-waste
A few specific examples would be:
1.. The federal government made at least $72 billion in improper payments in 2008.[1]
2.. Washington spends $92 billion on corporate welfare (excluding TARP) versus $71 billion on homeland security.[2]
3.. Washington spends $25 billion annually maintaining unused or vacant federal properties.[3]
4.. Government auditors spent the past five years examining all federal programs and found that 22 percent of them -- costing taxpayers a total of $123 billion annually -- fail to show any positive impact on the populations they serve.[4]
5.. The Congressional Budget Office published a "Budget Options" series identifying more than $100 billion in potential spending cuts.[5]
6.. Examples from multiple Government Accountability Office (GAO) reports of wasteful duplication include 342 economic development programs; 130 programs serving the disabled; 130 programs serving at-risk youth; 90 early childhood development programs; 75 programs funding international education, cultural, and training exchange activities; and 72 safe water programs.[6]
7.. Washington will spend $2.6 million training Chinese prostitutes to drink more responsibly on the job.[7]
8.. A GAO audit classified nearly half of all purchases on government credit cards as improper, fraudulent, or embezzled. Examples of taxpayer-funded purchases include gambling, mortgage payments, liquor, lingerie, iPods, Xboxes, jewelry, Internet dating services, and Hawaiian vacations. In one extraordinary example, the Postal Service spent $13,500 on one dinner at a Ruth's Chris Steakhouse, including "over 200 appetizers and over $3,000 of alcohol, including more than 40 bottles of wine costing more than $50 each and brand-name liquor such as Courvoisier, Belvedere and Johnny Walker Gold." The 81 guests consumed an average of $167 worth of food and drink apiece.[8]
9.. Federal agencies are delinquent on nearly 20 percent of employee travel charge cards, costing taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars annually.[9]
10.. The Securities and Exchange Commission spent $3.9 million rearranging desks and offices at its Washington, D.C., headquarters.[10]
11.. The Pentagon recently spent $998,798 shipping two 19-cent washers from South Carolina to Texas and $293,451 sending an 89-cent washer from South Carolina to Florida.[11]
12.. Over half of all farm subsidies go to commercial farms, which report average household incomes of $200,000.[12]
13.. Health care fraud is estimated to cost taxpayers more than $60 billion annually.[13]
14.. A GAO audit found that 95 Pentagon weapons systems suffered from a combined $295 billion in cost overruns.[14]
15.. The refusal of many federal employees to fly coach costs taxpayers $146 million annually in flight upgrades.[15]
16.. Washington will spend $126 million in 2009 to enhance the Kennedy family legacy in Massachusetts. Additionally, Senator John Kerry (D-MA) diverted $20 million from the 2010 defense budget to subsidize a new Edward M. Kennedy Institute.[16]
17.. Federal investigators have launched more than 20 criminal fraud investigations related to the TARP financial bailout.[17]
18.. Despite trillion-dollar deficits, last year's 10,160 earmarks included $200,000 for a tattoo removal program in Mission Hills, California; $190,000 for the Buffalo Bill Historical Center in Cody, Wyoming; and $75,000 for the Totally Teen Zone in Albany, Georgia.[18]
19.. The federal government owns more than 50,000 vacant homes.[19]
20.. The Federal Communications Commission spent $350,000 to sponsor NASCAR driver David Gilliland.[20]
21.. Members of Congress have spent hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars supplying their offices with popcorn machines, plasma televisions, DVD equipment, ionic air fresheners, camcorders, and signature machines -- plus $24,730 leasing a Lexus, $1,434 on a digital camera, and $84,000 on personalized calendars.[21]
22.. More than $13 billion in Iraq aid has been classified as wasted or stolen. Another $7.8 billion cannot be accounted for.[22]
23.. Fraud related to Hurricane Katrina spending is estimated to top $2 billion. In addition, debit cards provided to hurricane victims were used to pay for Caribbean vacations, NFL tickets, Dom Perignon champagne, "Girls Gone Wild" videos, and at least one sex change operation.[23]
24.. Auditors discovered that 900,000 of the 2.5 million recipients of emergency Katrina assistance provided false names, addresses, or Social Security numbers or submitted multiple applications.[24]
25.. Congress recently gave Alaska Airlines $500,000 to paint a Chinook salmon on a Boeing 737.[25]
26.. The Transportation Department will subsidize up to $2,000 per flight for direct flights between Washington, D.C., and the small hometown of Congressman Hal Rogers (R-KY) -- but only on Monday mornings and Friday evenings, when lawmakers, staff, and lobbyists usually fly. Rogers is a member of the Appropriations Committee, which writes the Transportation Department's budget.[26]
27.. Washington has spent $3 billion re-sanding beaches -- even as this new sand washes back into the ocean.[27]
28.. A Department of Agriculture report concedes that much of the $2.5 billion in "stimulus" funding for broadband Internet will be wasted.[28]
29.. The Defense Department wasted $100 million on unused flight tickets and never bothered to collect refunds even though the tickets were refundable.[29]
30.. Washington spends $60,000 per hour shooting Air Force One photo-ops in front of national landmarks.[30]
31.. Over one recent 18-month period, Air Force and Navy personnel used government-funded credit cards to charge at least $102,400 on admission to entertainment events, $48,250 on gambling, $69,300 on cruises, and $73,950 on exotic dance clubs and prostitutes.[31]
32.. Members of Congress are set to pay themselves $90 million to increase their franked mailings for the 2010 election year.[32]
33.. Congress has ignored efficiency recommendations from the Department of Health and Human Services that would save $9 billion annually.[33]
34.. Taxpayers are funding paintings of high-ranking government officials at a cost of up to $50,000 apiece.[34]
35.. The state of Washington sent $1 food stamp checks to 250,000 households in order to raise state caseload figures and trigger $43 million in additional federal funds.[35]
36.. Suburban families are receiving large farm subsidies for the grass in their backyards -- subsidies that many of these families never requested and do not want. [36]
37.. Congress appropriated $20 million for "commemoration of success" celebrations related to Iraq and Afghanistan.[37]
38.. Homeland Security employee purchases include 63-inch plasma TVs, iPods, and $230 for a beer brewing kit.[38]
39.. Two drafting errors in the 2005 Deficit Reduction Act resulted in a $2 billion taxpayer cost.[39]
40.. North Ridgeville, Ohio, received $800,000 in "stimulus" funds for a project that its mayor described as "a long way from the top priority."[40]
41.. The National Institutes of Health spends $1.3 million per month to rent a lab that it cannot use.[41]
42.. Congress recently spent $2.4 billion on 10 new jets that the Pentagon insists it does not need and will not use.[42]
43.. Lawmakers diverted $13 million from Hurricane Katrina relief spending to build a museum celebrating the Army Corps of Engineers -- the agency partially responsible for the failed levees that flooded New Orleans.[43]
44.. Medicare officials recently mailed $50 million in erroneous refunds to 230,000 Medicare recipients.[44]
45.. Audits showed $34 billion worth of Department of Homeland Security contracts contained significant waste, fraud, and abuse.[45]
46.. Washington recently spent $1.8 million to help build a private golf course in Atlanta, Georgia.[46]
47.. The Advanced Technology Program spends $150 million annually subsidizing private businesses; 40 percent of this funding goes to Fortune 500 companies.[47]
48.. Congressional investigators were able to receive $55,000 in federal student loan funding for a fictional college they created to test the Department of Education.[48]
49.. The Conservation Reserve program pays farmers $2 billion annually not to farm their land.[49]
50.. The Commerce Department has lost 1,137 computers since 2001, many containing Americans' personal data.[50]
These are mere drop in the bucket examples. Left up to me, entire departments would be eliminated starting with commerce, agriculture, and yes, education.
I would go on but time is limited. Has this been adequately specific for you?
g
P.S. I'll throw in as a little can and did bonus for you the countless Obama white house parties, (think Paul McCartney comes cheap?) along with the current cross country campaign tour all paid for with the taxpayers credit card. Enjoy.
From: Joe Campbell
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 2:23 AM
To: the lockshop
Cc: Vision 2020
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: This could be big
What is the "big government" that you're talking about below, Gary? Tell me where the waste is and be specific. You can't and won't and that shows where the greater myth lies.
For God's sake, we've been waging a war in two now three different countries, putting the whole thing on our world "credit card." But you don't raise a peep about that. Education, health care, entitlements -- that is where the evil lies (according to you)!
This is crap rhetoric and you know it. And the fact that you can't make a sensible response to this post, that all you'll do is throw insults and more crap rhetoric proves it even more.
And this isn't an insult. It is a CRITICISM. Maybe you are as unable to tell the difference as Roger.
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 5:14 PM, the lockshop <lockshop at pull.twcbc.com> wrote:
I feel fine, thank you for your concern. There is no ire to mitigate on my end and no need for rationalization required on yours. Corporations take advantage of tax laws put in place by Republican and Democrat lawmakers to return value to the shareholders as is their primary reason for existance. The fact that you and your family have been able to take advantage of this warms my heart.
The notion that corporations large or small should "pay a fair share" is a farce generated by big government (and it's friends and beneficiaries) to extract additional revenue from individuals. The burden falls on shareholders in the form of reduced return on investment and/or on customers in the form of higher price for products. Placing ever-increasing drains on a corporations revenue can only result in disaster. If return to investors is too low or the price of goods is to high the end result is the same. You have killed the goose and the attendant jobs, goods, and services (and yes, tax monies) that it generated.
g
----- Original Message -----
From: Sue Hovey
To: the lockshop ; 'Vision 2020'
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: This could be big
True, and we probably won’t be able to do them much longer, so perhaps that will help to mitigate your ire. A few years ago I was behind one of the efforts to get PERSI to disinvest—a move that went nowhere, fast. So I continue to take the dirty money and I’m going to be spending it on critical needs for our disabled adult daughter. Feel better now?
Sue H
From: the lockshop
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 11:56 AM
To: Sue Hovey ; 'Vision 2020'
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: This could be big
Interestingly enough, Exxon Mobile, Conoco Philips, General Electric and Goldman Sachs are among the ten largest holdings of several of the funds held by PERSI. These "dirty corporate freeloaders" are playing a large part in funding local retiree's trips to Hawaii! This must be brought to a halt immediately.
g
----- Original Message -----
From: Sue Hovey
To: 'Vision 2020'
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 7:58 PM
Subject: [Vision2020] Fw: This could be big
Sort of a down and dirty (for sure dirty) list of Corporate Freeloaders. Thought it might be of interest to some of you.
Sue
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Subject: Fw: This could be big
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