[Vision2020] Proof Positive the ID GOP Doesn't Care About ChildrenOnce They're Out of The Womb

[Joe Campbell]

How does this oppose the 1st Amendment? I'm actually suggesting that that you continue to speak!

This is just another example of a radical right winger taking a sensible point and, through faulty rhetoric, turning it into something else.

And why is it you folks never talk about Amendment IX:

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

On Apr 3, 2011, at 6:20 AM, Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:

>  
> Joe writes,
>  
> "Short answer: Ask a black person this question. See what he says. Then tell him why you think he has a fear of ideas. See how far that dialogue progresses."
>  
> I don't know anyone, except you Joe, that opposes the First Amendment. Which to me is the most dangerous and fearful of all the ideas I have heard. 
> Donovan Arnold
> 
> 
> --- On Sat, 4/2/11, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> From: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Proof Positive the ID GOP Doesn't Care About ChildrenOnce They're Out of The Womb
> To: "Paul Rumelhart" <godshatter at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "vision2020 at moscow.com" <vision2020 at moscow.com>, "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
> Date: Saturday, April 2, 2011, 12:51 PM
> 
> Short answer: Ask a black person this question. See what he says. Then tell him why you think he has a fear of ideas. See how far that dialogue progresses.
> 
> Before I answer this question seriously, I'd prefer if you would tell me the most painful part of your family history. Suppose for instance that numerous folks in your family died of breast cancer. Try wrapping your head around me saying "Why can't we even _talk_ about whether or not breast cancer is a good thing? After all freedom of expression is a good thing. What do you have a fear of ideas?" Can you imagine how insensitive that would sound? If not, then pick another example. Keep trying until you want to punch me in the face for saying what I said. Then you'll get it.
> 
> I'm a Professor of Philosophy. That would be a strange profession for someone with a fear of ideas. A better explanation of why you can't see what's wrong with asking whether or not slavery is wrong is that you are seriously lacking in empathetic imagination. That's why I think it might benefit you to find your own personal example and reason to my point of view via some form of analogy.
> 
> Long answer: Kidnapping is clearly wrong. Putting someone in chains, throwing them on a boat, and taking them to some other continent is clearly wrong. Holding someone against their will is clearly wrong. Forcing someone to work without pay is clearly wrong. Beating an innocent person is clearly wrong. Rape is clearly wrong. 
> 
> The history of American slavery is a history of kidnapping, unwarranted incarceration, forced labor, physical violence, rape, etc. To entertain the idea that slavery is not wrong is to entertain the idea that nothing is wrong. 
> 
> Now maybe that is your view. Maybe you believe that nothing is right or wrong. But why not just talk about that issue? Why wrap it up in a conversation that is offensive to a great number of people. If you're an idiot I would understand. Likewise if you were part of some radical right wing group. You offer another possibility: you could be completely lacking in empathy, a sociopath who doesn't care whether or not he hurts the feelings of others. I think that is covered by "idiot."
> 
> So here is a revision of my technical term "idiot" in case I use it again. An idiot is someone who is so lacking in common sense or empathetic imagination that he is willing to say something that even the below average person would know better than to say.
> 
> Note that the quote I used by Wilson to begin this conversation was this: "The Bible permits Christians to own slaves, provided they are treated well." Clearly he can't adopt the view that there is no right or wrong since slavery is only permitted by Christians if they treat the slaves "well." And I don't think he's an idiot, given the my technical definition. That leaves one option. Unless I'm wrong and he is a sociopath.
> 
> On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 04/01/2011 09:29 PM, Joe Campbell wrote:
> Anyone who thinks that talk of slavery should be tolerated is either an idiot or a member of a radical right wing group.
> 
> Seriously?  We can't even _talk_ about it?  Why?  Or do you mean that we are free to talk about it as long as we condemn it?  Well, I'm not up for another rant on why freedom of expression is important even if you don't agree with what everyone says.  We've already been down that road.
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> Do not fear ideas.  *That* is what is idiotic.
> 
> Paul
> 
> ^ not a fan of slavery, in case you were wondering...
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