[Vision2020] Donovan: Dale or Doug?
Joe Campbell
philosopher.joe at gmail.com
Fri Apr 1 14:27:53 PDT 2011
I didn't say you weren't you. I said you weren't Donovan.
Could be worse. At least I don't defend slavery!
On Apr 1, 2011, at 11:36 AM, Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Joe,
>
> It is just too entertaining for me to see that you don't think I am me. We never did meet to my recollection, but to be truthful, I don't remember every person I have met in Moscow. I met hundreds, maybe thousands, I don't know. But I would be sure to have remembered you because most professors, even on campus, are not as numerous as others. I also don't look like I did, at all, in 2003.
>
> Perhaps if you can remind me where and when we met it might jog my memory. I think you honestly have me confused with someone else which is why you think I am someone else. I don't live in Moscow anymore, I live in Southern Idaho, now, working on getting my nursing license.
>
> I only insult you Joe, because that seems to be the only thing you do on here is insult others and it bothers me because it is unbecoming of a University Professor and wrong to do that to good people like Roger who have been a pillar of strength and character for the Palouse, even if I disagree with him on politics and he not as formally educated as many, he has a unique education and perspective.
>
> Donovan Arnold
>
> --- On Fri, 4/1/11, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Donovan: Dale or Doug?
> To: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Date: Friday, April 1, 2011, 6:49 AM
>
> "Donovan" writes: "If it means anything, I did try on several occasions to meet Joe at several venues we both attended, but it just never happened."
>
> This is a strange comment because we HAVE met on several occasions. It strikes me as odd that you don't remember. Well, actually it doesn't since you weren't there, Donovan was there. It happened a few times. When and where?
>
> Lying is unproductive, too. So is the use of fallacies. So is the failure to admit to using a fallacy when it is pointed out. So is engaging in a discussion and then backing out when hard questions come up. If I could have a conversation with you or your friend Glen Schwaller and be sure that by the end you would not lie, not use a fallacy, and that the issue of my job and whether or not I was qualified to perform it would not come up, then I wouldn't really care who you were. But I can't, so it does make me wonder. You can say what you want but I'm just looking for piece of mind.
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> I am not being facetious when I say that you are not Donovan, that it is more probable that your name is "Dale" or "Doug" or that you previously wrote on this blog under the name of "No Weatherman." This is a reflection of my true beliefs. I just feel a little childlike having to suppress this belief while you're invited to use whatever rhetorical trick or insult that want. I think it is more productive for the communities sake if we find out who you really are. So as long as you are going to tell lies, use fallacies, and use insults, I'm going to keep trying to openly figure out who you are. That is, as long as you persist in your form of unproductive behavior, I'll persist in mine. If you want to play a childish tit-for-tat game and question whether I have a PhD that's fine. You don't believe it, as you said below. The difference is I believe that you are someone else. Whatever I'm doing, I am not playing a cheap rhetorical game. I'm just telling you what I think.
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> On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 1:23 AM, Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Saundra,
>
> I bet me and Joe are a lot more alike than either of us cares to admit. Which is just another reason why I wouldn't care to meet him. :D
>
> Yes, I am not serious about proof of his PhD, I was being my usual facetious online self because of his demands for me proving I am in fact me, and others who they are; sounding like people wanting Obama to provide his birth certificate. It is really annoying and unproductive, we need to just take each other at our word, with the understanding that all of us are better people in life than our one dimensional cyber selves. If it means anything, I did try on several occasions to meet Joe at several venues we both attended, but it just never happened. I cannot image now having that kind of free time to be able to track down Joe when I cannot even track down all my relatives every time I am back up north. Maybe someday, in about a 1 1/2 years, when I am done with nursing school, I can return home and find Joe.
>
> Donovan Arnold
>
>
>
> --- On Thu, 3/31/11, Saundra Lund <v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm> wrote:
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> From: Saundra Lund <v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Donovan: Dale or Doug?
> To: "'Donovan Arnold'" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>, "'Joe Campbell'" <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Date: Thursday, March 31, 2011, 11:47 PM
>
> Donavan,
>
> I think you should take Joe up on his offer! $100 is $100, and having met both of you, I think you’d have an enjoyable time, as would Joe. I think you two have more similarities than you do differences, which can sometimes be lost in online only communications.
>
> Anyway, next time you’re up this direction, please give it some thought.
>
> BTW, you’re sounding kind of like a birther with demands that Joe give you proof of his PhD . . . just sayin’. I could easily provide you with a dozen credible Web sites that list his qualifications, but I’m assuming you’re being somewhat facetious in your request, yes?
>
>
> Saundra Lund
> Moscow, ID
>
> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing.
> ~ Edmund Burke
>
> ***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2011 through life plus 70 years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum without the express written permission of the author.*****
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>
>
> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Donovan Arnold
> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 11:28 PM
> To: Joe Campbell
> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Donovan: Dale or Doug?
>
> Joe,
>
> Please provide a link. I don't think $100 is worth having lunch with you, at least not for me it isn't. I am sure plenty of your philosophy graduates would think $100 is lot of money because they are pretty unemployable in the real world unless they have an additional education in something else as well.
>
> Donovan Arnold
>
> --- On Thu, 3/31/11, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Donovan: Dale or Doug?
> To: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "lfalen" <lfalen at turbonet.com>, "vision2020 at moscow.com" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Date: Thursday, March 31, 2011, 6:11 PM
>
> Do some research! You can prove it yourself (it's on the UA website for one thing).
>
> The funny thing is I'll give you $100 to have lunch with me.
>
> You won't do it! Proof enough that you're NOT Donovan.
>
>
> On Mar 31, 2011, at 5:22 PM, Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Joe,
>
> I want proof that you actually earned a PhD?
>
> BTW, I vote for idiots all the time, because I vote for the person most likely to defeat the Republican. I would imagine that Republicans vote for idiots too precisely because Democrats tend to put idiots on the ballot as well, leaving an idiot Republican or an idiot Democratic situation to choose from.
>
> IMO, almost all people are bigots and hypocrites towards one group of people or another.
>
> Donovan Arnold
>
> --- On Thu, 3/31/11, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Joe and Arrogance
> To: "lfalen" <lfalen at turbonet.com>
> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Date: Thursday, March 31, 2011, 2:54 PM
>
> Sorry -- last clarification.
>
> I didn't call ALL Republicans -- whom I disagree with -- "idiots." In fact, I explicitly said that I don't think all Republicans are idiots and mentioned a few by name that I didn't think were idiots.
>
> I asked why Republicans VOTE for idiots. The idiots are folks like Bush, Palin, and Gingrich. I called Gingrich an "idiot" because of his bigoted comments -- comments which you conveniently didn't include in this criticism -- not because he was a Republican. I asked a question: Why do so many Republicans vote for idiots -- folks who are either dumb as posts or obvious and clear bigots?
>
> I'm asking you, too, Roger. Why did you openly support Gresham Bouma in the last election, someone who is openly antagonistic toward Mormons? Why support Young, someone who was openly antagonistic toward folks on the left? Do you think it is OK to call Mormons "blasphemous"? Do you think that that kind of behavior is indicative of what our founding fathers meant by the right to the free exercise of religion? Do you think leaders should only cater to members of your own political party? That they can ignore the folks that they don't vote for them?
>
> But the fact is that you won't answer these questions. What you'll do is call me a "communist" and try to divert attention from the growing racism of your political party. And what I'll continue to do is point out the racism, even if it means putting up with your mean-spirited name calling.
>
> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 11:52 AM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
> It is amazing to me that some people on the left like joe, call everyone they disagree with idiots. I think it was Stalin that called the American left useful idiots. A friend of my aunt's on finding out I was a friend of Steve Symms said, "He can't be very bright can he". Some on the right think the same way. I do not know why people cannot disagree on the issues with out disparaging one another's intelligence.
> Roger
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