[Vision2020] Leonard Pitts Jr: The Triumph of Igorance

lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
Wed Oct 27 12:02:12 PDT 2010 

The 2nd Amendment states people have the right to bear arms. It does not spell out what arms. Semi-automatic rifles are arms under any reasonable definition. I am not an arms expert, but I think a lot of weapons used by people to hunt or for self protection are semi- automatic. Perhaps some one with a knowledge of weapons can provide a breakdown on all the different types of weapons.

Roger
-----Original message-----
From: Reggie Holmquist reggieholmquist at u.boisestate.edu
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 11:15:07 -0700
To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Leonard Pitts Jr: The Triumph of Igorance

> Strange, I don't see anything in there about semi-automatic rifles.  I
> guess, by your logic, there is no right to bear semi-automatic rifles.
> After all, the clause ensuring government shall make no establishment of
> religion does not ensure a wall of separation between church and state,
> right?  It has to be explicitly stated in the constitution for it to be
> interpreted as such, according to you.  Or does it only have to be
> explicitly stated if it is something a liberal supports, and need only be
> implied if it is something a conservative supports?
> 
> -Reggie
> 
> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 11:03 AM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
> 
> > Joe
> > 2nd Amendment
> > "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,
> > the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed."
> > That is what the Constitution says, which I support.
> > Roger
> > -----Original message-----
> > From: Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> > Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 16:47:53 -0700
> > To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Leonard Pitts Jr:  The Triumph of Igorance
> >
> > > No where in the constitution does it say that individuals have a right to
> > bear semi-automatic rifles.
> > >
> > > So you must be for gun control, Roger!
> > >
> > >
> > > On Oct 25, 2010, at 11:56 AM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > The First Amendment
> > > > "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,or
> > prohibiting the free exercise there of; or abridging the freedom of
> > speech,or of the press,or the right of people peaceably to assemble, and or
> > to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
> > > > No where is there any thing said about the separation of church and
> > state. What it says is that no state religion  is to be established and that
> > every one has the right to express their religious beliefs or lack there of.
> > The "separation of church and state" comes from an article written by Thomas
> > Jefferson in which he said "There should be a wall of separation between
> > church and state" ,but it no where in the Constitution.
> > > > Roger
> > > >
> > > > -----Original message-----
> > > > From: "Art Deco" deco at moscow.com
> > > > Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 10:24:30 -0700
> > > > To: "Vision 2020" vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > > Subject: [Vision2020] Leonard Pitts Jr:  The Triumph of Igorance
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> LEONARD PITTS JR.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> We don't deserve this
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,
> > or prohibiting the free exercise thereof ..."
> > > >>
> > > >> - from the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States
> > That's for Christine O'Donnell.
> > > >>
> > > >> "Where in the Constitution is separation of church and state?" she
> > asked last week, drawing gasps and astonished laughter from an audience of
> > law school students.
> > > >>
> > > >> Chris Coons, her Democratic opponent for a Delaware Senate seat,
> > replied that in asking the question, O'Donnell shows "fundamental
> > misunderstanding of what our Constitution is. ... The First Amendment
> > establishes the separation ..."
> > > >>
> > > >> O'Donnell wasn't buying it.
> > > >>
> > > >> "The First Amendment does? ...
> > > >>
> > > >> So you're telling me that the separation of church and state, the
> > phrase 'separation of church and state,' is found in the First Amendment?"
> > > >>
> > > >> It was a bizarre exchange that permits but two conclusions. One,
> > O'Donnell is frighteningly ignorant, particularly for a woman who claims
> > constitutional expertise and aspires to the Senate. Or, two, assuming you
> > buy her after-the-fact explanation (she was merely observing that the phrase
> > "separation of church and state" is not in the First Amendment), she is
> > terribly disingenuous.
> > > >>
> > > >> After all, the framers' intention to isolate church from state and
> > vice versa is evident in the amendment's wording and is a matter of
> > long-settled law, besides. The phrase "freedom of expression" doesn't appear
> > in the First Amendment, either.
> > > >>
> > > >> Would O'Donnell question that right, too?
> > > >>
> > > >> Maybe I shouldn't ask.
> > > >>
> > > >> While one is appalled by O'Donnell's ignorance and/or
> > disingenuousness, one is not surprised. The capacity to be surprised by her
> > died long ago, victim of revelations that she once "dabbled" in witchcraft.
> > > >>
> > > >> And was the subject of an IRS lien. And said people with AIDS brought
> > the disease upon themselves. And was sued for nonpayment by her college and
> > mortgage company. And was cited eight times by the Federal Elections
> > Commission And thinks scientists have created mice with human brains.
> > > >>
> > > >> That this woman is a major party candidate for national office, that
> > she is among the brightest stars of a constellation of like-minded cranks -
> > some of them already in office - tells you all you need to know about this
> > moment in our political life. Welcome to the United States of Amnesia.
> > > >>
> > > >> Somehow we have forgotten the lesson we spent most of the last decade
> > learning at ruinous cost: that faith-based governance, foreign policy by gut
> > instinct, choosing leaders on the basis of which one we'd most like to watch
> > television with, simply does not work.
> > > >>
> > > >> Some say this is a conservative revolution, but this is no
> > conservatism Ronald Reagan or Barry Goldwater would have recognized. At
> > least their ideology adhered to an interior logic. This ideology adheres to
> > a perverse "illogic" that posits that the less you know, the more authentic
> > you are. So what triumphs here is not conservatism, but rather, mediocrity.
> > The Know Nothings and Flat Earthers are ascendant. But intellect matters.
> > > >>
> > > >> Knowledge is good. And what's it tell you that that point even needs
> > to be made?
> > > >>
> > > >> In a recent debate, O'Donnell was asked to name a modern Supreme Court
> > decision to which she objects. "Oh, gosh," she said. "Give me a specific
> > one, I'm sorry. ... Right off the top of my head, I know that there are a
> > lot, but I'll put it up on my website, I promise you."
> > > >>
> > > >> Some of us are reminded of how candidate George W. Bush kept calling
> > Greeks "Grecians."
> > > >>
> > > >> Some of us remember how the electorate shrugged off that evidence of
> > looming gaps in his basic knowledge because he had a folksy way and
> > twinkling eyes. Some of us remember how that came out.
> > > >>
> > > >> Others apparently don't.
> > > >>
> > > >> Others are ready to travel that road again. It brings to mind an old
> > saying: we get the leaders we deserve.
> > > >>
> > > >> You and I better hope that's not true.
> > > >>
> > > >> Leonard Pitts Jr. is a columnist for the Miami Herald.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
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