[Vision2020] Concerns about a Republican Candidate

[lfalen]

Sue
I am glad that you have a sence of humor.
Roger
-----Original message-----
From: "Sue Hovey" suehovey at moscow.com
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 21:15:45 -0700
To: "lfalen" lfalen at turbonet.com, "Rosemary" donaldrose at cpcinternet.com, "'Moscow Vision 2020'" vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Concerns about a Republican Candidate

> Roger,  I do hope your remark was not to indicate you'd see me on Friday, 
> "only under duress....."   Just kidding.
> 
> Sue
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "lfalen" <lfalen at turbonet.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 12:22 PM
> To: "Sue Hovey" <suehovey at moscow.com>; "Rosemary" 
> <donaldrose at cpcinternet.com>; "'Moscow Vision 2020'" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Concerns about a Republican Candidate
> 
> > Only under duress.
> > Roger
> > -----Original message-----
> > From: "Sue Hovey" suehovey at moscow.com
> > Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 10:50:03 -0700
> > To: "lfalen" lfalen at turbonet.com, "Rosemary" donaldrose at cpcinternet.com, 
> > "'Moscow Vision 2020'" vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Concerns about a Republican Candidate
> >
> >> Roger,  you're the one who used Wright as the hallmark.  The point is 
> >> Obama
> >> did respond to Wright's remarks.  See you Friday.
> >>
> >> Sue
> >>
> >> --------------------------------------------------
> >> From: "lfalen" <lfalen at turbonet.com>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 9:29 AM
> >> To: "Sue Hovey" <suehovey at moscow.com>; "Rosemary"
> >> <donaldrose at cpcinternet.com>; "'Moscow Vision 2020'" 
> >> <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Concerns about a Republican Candidate
> >>
> >> > Sue
> >> > Obama sat in Wright;s church for 20 years and did not repudiate what he
> >> > said. If fact he said when the story first broke, " I could no more
> >> > reputiate him than I could a beloved uncle" . That may not be an exact
> >> > quote, but it is close. He only repudiated him when if became 
> >> > politically
> >> > expediant to do so. I do not know any thing  about what is going on at
> >> > Freeze church, so will not comment on it, other than to say that I do 
> >> > not
> >> > hold any thing against any religion that in general follows the goden
> >> > rule. I think that it is fine to preach hate the sin, love the sinner.
> >> > Those that preach against what they prececive as a sin, but also 
> >> > tolerance
> >> > are fine. It they advocate action against those they disagree with then
> >> > they are wrong.
> >> > Roger
> >> > -----Original message-----
> >> > From: "Sue Hovey" suehovey at moscow.com
> >> > Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 23:10:13 -0700
> >> > To: "lfalen" lfalen at turbonet.com, "Rosemary" 
> >> > donaldrose at cpcinternet.com,
> >> > "'Moscow Vision 2020'" vision2020 at moscow.com
> >> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Concerns about a Republican Candidate
> >> >
> >> >> Roger,
> >> >>
> >> >> Well, if you remember, Obama has in fact distanced himself from Wright
> >> >> and
> >> >> repudiated what Wright said.  I think that's what folks are asking of
> >> >> members of the Freeze Church. Gresham Bouma is a member of that
> >> >> congregation.  It is certainly a legitimate position to take when one
> >> >> says
> >> >> his lack of disagreement with those positions, implies consent. 
> >> >> I've
> >> >> spent much of today reading the sermons of this pastor on the Freeze
> >> >> Church
> >> >> website.  Frankly, I'm appalled.  In the first place he seems not to 
> >> >> care
> >> >> he's violating Federal law when he promotes a candidate from the 
> >> >> pulpit.
> >> >> He
> >> >> also makes a rather pointed effort to castigate almost everyone as not 
> >> >> a
> >> >> true "Christian" who does not believe exactly as he does.  His 
> >> >> biblical
> >> >> tirades against LDS, Catholic, Muslims and others should either be
> >> >> repudiated (as Obama did relative to Wright) or those church members 
> >> >> can
> >> >> logically be assumed to agree with Mr. Knerr, their arrogant pastor.
> >> >>
> >> >> Sue Hovey
> >> >>
> >> >> --------------------------------------------------
> >> >> From: "lfalen" <lfalen at turbonet.com>
> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 4:15 PM
> >> >> To: "Rosemary" <donaldrose at cpcinternet.com>; "'Moscow Vision 2020'"
> >> >> <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Concerns about a Republican Candidate
> >> >>
> >> >> > Rose
> >> >> > I am not in the habit of passing on rumors. I do not know Lloyd 
> >> >> > Knerr,
> >> >> > but
> >> >> > do know members of the Freeze Church. They are all fine people. I am
> >> >> > not a
> >> >> > Mormon, but do have friends and family that are. Some of the things
> >> >> > that
> >> >> > you attribute to Mr. Knerr may well have been part of the original
> >> >> > tenets
> >> >> > of The LDS church. I do not know of any Mormons that ascribe to them
> >> >> > today. I would be curious about whether you are just as concerned 
> >> >> > about
> >> >> > Obama seting in Reverend Wrights church for 20 years.
> >> >> > Roger
> >> >> > -----Original message-----
> >> >> > From: "Rosemary" donaldrose at cpcinternet.com
> >> >> > Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 19:47:37 -0700
> >> >> > To: "'lfalen'" lfalen at turbonet.com, "'Moscow Vision 2020'"
> >> >> > vision2020 at moscow.com
> >> >> > Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Concerns about a Republican Candidate
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Dear Roger,
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Because you are an involved and well known Republican in Latah 
> >> >> >> County
> >> >> >> I
> >> >> >> bring the following concern to you.  I would appreciate it if you
> >> >> >> forward
> >> >> >> this email to members of the Latah Republican Executive Committee 
> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> Mr.
> >> >> >> Bouma himself.  Actually, Ike Young might have more than a passing
> >> >> >> interest
> >> >> >> in understanding Mr. Bouma's response to the sermon below so please
> >> >> >> copy
> >> >> >> him
> >> >> >> as well.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Over the decades that I have lived in this community I have had 
> >> >> >> many
> >> >> >> LDS
> >> >> >> friends.  With that in mind, I have grave reservations about Mr.
> >> >> >> Bouma,
> >> >> >> if
> >> >> >> he shares the bigoted, ignorant, and mockingly derisive attitude of
> >> >> >> his
> >> >> >> pastor, Lloyd Knerr of Freeze Community Church. If Mr. Bouma is in
> >> >> >> agreement
> >> >> >> with Lloyd Knerr, he certainly does not deserve the support of
> >> >> >> thoughtful
> >> >> >> Latah County voters.  If Mr. Bouma is elected, and I hope that he
> >> >> >> won't
> >> >> >> be,
> >> >> >> how effective will he be in working with legislators who are LDS? 
> >> >> >> Do
> >> >> >> you
> >> >> >> imagine that he will receive meaningful committee assignments?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Please respond via 2020 because I think that this conversation will 
> >> >> >> be
> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> interest to many 2020 followers.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Thanks, Roger, for your help with this.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Rose Huskey
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> **************
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Freeze Community Church,
> >> >> >> Pastor Lloyd Knerr
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> 08/29/2010
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Ecclesiastes, part 2
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> http://www.freezechurch.org/page48.html
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> http://freezechurch.org/images/t_icon.gif?template=av-164&colorScheme=red&he
> >> >> >> ader=&button=buttons1
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> "Permit me to do a little side bar.  What got me thinking about 
> >> >> >> false
> >> >> >> religions, and led me to watch this Benny Hinn expose, was an event
> >> >> >> that
> >> >> >> took place this weekend.  I know I may not be too popular with some 
> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> you
> >> >> >> for my stance, but I think this "Restoring Honor" gathering in
> >> >> >> Washington
> >> >> >> DC
> >> >> >> yesterday headed up by Glenn Beck, is as dangerous to America as 
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> infiltration of our society by Islam and Sharia Law.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> He says it was not a political gathering, but a call to return to 
> >> >> >> God
> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> His Laws, the Laws that this nation was founded on. On the surface, 
> >> >> >> a
> >> >> >> Christian could hardly be opposed to that call.  After all, Sarah
> >> >> >> Palin
> >> >> >> stood on that same lectern and agreed with everything Beck said.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> 240 clergymen from various denominations stood hand in hand with 
> >> >> >> him
> >> >> >> on
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> Stage.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> But what god is Beck calling America to return to? Is it important?
> >> >> >> Certainly he's not calling us to return to the God of the bible.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Glenn Beck is a Mormon.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I want to take a couple of minutes and give you a little 
> >> >> >> information
> >> >> >> on
> >> >> >> Mormonism and then decide if you want Beck's god to take back 
> >> >> >> America.
> >> >> >> The
> >> >> >> Mormon god was once a human being just like you or I.  He was born 
> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> a
> >> >> >> human man and woman on a distant star called, "Kolon." His parents
> >> >> >> gave
> >> >> >> him
> >> >> >> the name, "Elohim." He lives, with his thousands of wives, on this
> >> >> >> star,
> >> >> >> "Kolon." He supposedly lived such a righteous, Mormon life that he 
> >> >> >> was
> >> >> >> elevated to become the god of his own world, which was to be called
> >> >> >> "Earth."
> >> >> >> This god and his wives produced millions of spirit children.  All 
> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> gods of the heavenly realms gathered together to decide which of
> >> >> >> "Elohim's"
> >> >> >> children would be chosen to become the savior.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> It boiled down to his two eldest sons, Jesus and Lucifer.  Yes, 
> >> >> >> that
> >> >> >> Lucifer. Each gave his campaign speech and Jesus was chosen. 
> >> >> >> Lucifer
> >> >> >> was
> >> >> >> so
> >> >> >> angry that he took 1/3 of all the spirit population of Kolon to go 
> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> earth
> >> >> >> with him to oppose his brother Jesus.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> These became his demons.  Those who remained neutral in the battle
> >> >> >> between
> >> >> >> Jesus and Satan were cursed to be born with black skin. This is the
> >> >> >> Mormon
> >> >> >> explanation for the negro race.  Those good, Mormon spirits who
> >> >> >> supported
> >> >> >> Jesus would be born with white skin.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Elohim and one of his many spirit wives came to earth and begot 
> >> >> >> Adam
> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> Eve.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Many years later, Elohim came to earth and had sex with the Virgin
> >> >> >> Mary,
> >> >> >> who
> >> >> >> begot Jesus in human form to give his spirit a body.  The Mormons
> >> >> >> teach
> >> >> >> that
> >> >> >> Jesus took three wives, Mary, Martha and Mary Magdalene and 
> >> >> >> fathered
> >> >> >> many
> >> >> >> children with them.  After Jesus' death and resurrection, He came 
> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> Americas and evangelized the Indians.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I could go on and on about the blasphemy and the heresy of the 
> >> >> >> Mormon
> >> >> >> religion, but suffice it to say that when Glenn Beck tells you that
> >> >> >> you
> >> >> >> serve the same god that he does, he's a liar. I am appalled at the
> >> >> >> number
> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> Christians who follow this false prophet. He believes that the
> >> >> >> Constitution
> >> >> >> of the United States was directly inspired by God and elevates it 
> >> >> >> even
> >> >> >> above
> >> >> >> scripture. He believes that the Mormon church was sent to earth to
> >> >> >> protect
> >> >> >> that Constitution. He believes that the salvation of America and 
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> preservation of our Constitution will only come from the Mormon
> >> >> >> church.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> If you think a man's religion doesn't make any difference, the day
> >> >> >> will
> >> >> >> come
> >> >> >> when you will realize that you have been sadly mistaken. I would 
> >> >> >> guess
> >> >> >> that
> >> >> >> 90% of estimated half a million people who attended that rally in 
> >> >> >> D.C.
> >> >> >> would
> >> >> >> call themselves Christian.  If that's true, the church in America
> >> >> >> today
> >> >> >> is
> >> >> >> in greater danger than I ever believed. Solomon was right; there's
> >> >> >> nothing
> >> >> >> new in this.   Satan and his minions have been rebelling against 
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> true
> >> >> >> God since the very beginning and they will all ultimately fail.  He
> >> >> >> has
> >> >> >> been
> >> >> >> sending his prophets into the world since day one. The true Jesus 
> >> >> >> says
> >> >> >> that
> >> >> >> in the last days, many will be deceived.  I pray that you will not 
> >> >> >> be
> >> >> >> one
> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> them.  Okay, sorry for letting off so much steam, but this, "it
> >> >> >> doesn't
> >> >> >> make
> >> >> >> any difference what a man's religion is" junk is sometimes more 
> >> >> >> than I
> >> >> >> can
> >> >> >> take."
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
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