[Vision2020] Fwd: Re: Additional Shipments Planned on Highway 12

[Paul Rumelhart]

That's the point I'm trying to make, though.  If they did break it up into 3600 
loads, they wouldn't need a permit, or a bond.  There are no rules I know of 
stopping them from sending 3600 truckloads or more over the highway if they 
aren't exceptional loads.  They would be using much more gas, to boot.  So if 
they give up on the megaload idea over Idaho roads, do you think they'll just 
give up and not process all those tar sands?

I understand the concerns about emergency vehicles and the disruption to normal 
traffic and the wear and tear on the roads.  But if the idea is to stop the tar 
sands production, then this is not the way to go about it.  Breaking the loads 
up would solve the disruption to traffic problems, but would increase the normal 
traffic on the highway.  I know of no way of stopping that on a public road.

Paul





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From: Sam Scripter <MoscowSam at charter.net>
To: Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Fri, October 8, 2010 12:45:41 PM
Subject: [Vision2020] Fwd: Re:  Additional Shipments Planned on Highway 12

 
Re: Paul R's remarks . . .

Paul: 

If each "megaload" could be "sliced and diced" to one-third of the whole width
and one-sixth of total length [off the wall fractions, and very absurd], then 
there would be 18 pieces, maybe each on a truck, per megaload. If 200 loads 
are waiting, that's 3600 or so individual, one-truck loads.

Use your own numbers for slicing and dicing. What do you get?

Who wants all of that traffic? No solution.

Sam

Paul Rumelhart wrote: 
That would be a problem for their engineering staff to tackle, I would think.  
Perhaps they'll find that using lots of smaller pressure cookers or whatever 
they are is more cost effective now than trying to get overly large ones through 
Idaho.  Maybe there is a way to cut them apart and put them back together when 
they get there.  Not my problem, really.  I'm just wondering if everyone's 
concerns would go away if they did so.
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From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
>To: Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Sent: Fri, October 8, 2010 5:48:00 AM
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Additional Shipments Planned on Highway 12
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>Paul Rumelhart suggestively inquires:
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>"If they could break these shipments up into enough separate loads that they 
>fell under the size and weight restrictions needed to get a special permit then 
>all would be right with the world, correct?"
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I feel safe in assuming, Paul, that if Conoco were to break down each of the 
(potentially) 250 mega-loads (per year) to meet ITD's length, width, and weight 
limitations . . . perhaps these shipments could progress with minor opposition.
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>HOWEVER . . .
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>How would you suggest Conoco go about breaking these down (and the 200+ jus’ 
>like ‘em)?
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>http://www.MoscowCares.com/Highway12/LewPortCargo_061810_01.JPG
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>Seeya round town, Moscow.
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>Tom Hansen
>Moscow, Idaho
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