[Vision2020] rosy future for rabid liberal at loose ends?

Sunil Ramalingam sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
Sun Nov 7 09:41:30 PST 2010


Gary,

You are regularly dismissive and contemptuous of differing viewpoints. Are you therefore a progressive?

Still waiting for you to prove your ad hominem argument that KRFP debates or interviews have been unfair to conservative politicians. 

Sunil

From: jampot at roadrunner.com
To: kjajmix1 at msn.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 00:59:20 -0700
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] rosy future for rabid liberal at loose ends?










" I find Fox' 
analysis and perspective to be much less intelligent, accurate, and reasonable 
than that of even the most strident MSNBC pundits."
 
Really? Well there we have it then. 
The unmistakable essence of the progressive mind set and perhaps one of 
the the biggest barriers to productive conversation. The elitist (why 
does that ring a bell?) notion that they just must be right 
because they imagine that those with whom they disagree are ever so much less intelligent and 
unreasonable then themselves.  Is it any wonder that common ground is 
so difficult to reach when the opening salvo from the left is so utterly 
dismissive and contemptuous? When newly elected Republican members of congress 
are seated and they feel precious little inclination to compromise with their 
democrat counterparts it most assuredly won't be difficult to understand 
the reason why.
 
g
 
 




From: keely emerinemix 
Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2010 10:30 PM
To: jampot at roadrunner.com ; vision2020 at moscow.com 
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] rosey future for rabid liberal at loose 
ends?

Truthfully, I'd have to say that it's the "established" media, 
print and broadcast, who bring the most bias-free coverage, specifically NBC (my 
preferred network source), ABC, and CBS; and Time and Newsweek.  Now, I 
love Mother Jones and The Progressive, but I wouldn't presume to try to persuade 
you that they're editorially even-handed.  And they don't need to be, just 
as Fox and MSNBC don't need to be perfectly unbiased -- they offer analysis and 
commentary from differing perspectives, which is not only obvious but also by 
design.  Nonetheless, I read them, just as I read (courtesy of Roger) The 
National Review and the Wall Street Journal.  It's good to get all sides of 
an argument, but it's also important to discern what's news and what's 
discussion.  They both have their place, but they're not at all the same 
thing.  

Sadly, it seems that fewer and fewer Americans understand 
that.  And I think that of the two, MSNBC and Fox, it's Fox that more 
portrays itself as a "news" organization, and it isn't; putting it another way, 
I think Fox viewers are far more likely to feel suspicious of the networks as 
well as to believe -- sincerely but mistakenly -- that what they get from Fox is 
news, as opposed to commentary.  Further,  I find Fox' analysis and 
perspective to be much less intelligent, accurate, and reasonable than that of 
even the most strident MSNBC pundits.  I prefer MSNBC's Rachel Maddow to 
Keith Olbermann, and Olbermann to virtually anyone ever featured on Fox, but not 
even I would suggest that MSNBC is without bias.  I just think it's much 
less without fear-mongering and jingoist bigotry than Fox, and that's important 
to me.

Keely
www.keely-prevailingwinds.com






From: jampot at roadrunner.com
To: kjajmix1 at msn.com; 
vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] rosey future for rabid 
liberal at loose ends?
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 19:47:10 -0700





And I would suggest that you are in 
error. While I don't for a second believe that what is broadcast on programs 
such as The Factor, Glenn Beck's show, or Hannity qualifies as news, I don't 
believe that the brass at FOX would try and have you buy it either. On the other 
hand segments such as News Watch, Fox News Weekend, America's Newsroom, and Fox 
Report with Shepard Smith are as objective as anything on broadcast television. 
I also believe that On the Record with Greta Van Sustren (no conservative, her) 
and Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace does a good job of delivering objective 
information with balanced analysis. Dismissing FOX because you disagree with a 
few of their talking heads is as silly as a conservative rejecting everything 
reported in the NYT because of its demonstrated editorial slant. If there is a 
news source that brings absolutely no baggage to its reporting I'd love to hear 
about it.
 
g




From: keely emerinemix 
Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2010 6:47 PM
To: jampot at roadrunner.com ; vision2020 at moscow.com 
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] rosey future for rabid liberal at loose 
ends?

Hey, if Olbermann knowingly violated his employers' policies, he 
got what he ought to have gotten.  No scandal there.

But the 
question of  Fox News being "fair and balanced" obscures the real point, 
which is whether or not Fox News is really "news."  I don't think we need 
to have the lexicography battle that we've been having over "to bear," but no 
one who's ever produced, studied, or benefited from real journalism -- real news 
gathering and news reporting -- would seriously suggest that Fox is "news" in 
any way, shape, or form.  

Fox News is nothing more than "Open Mic 
Night" in a room full of culturally insecure, frightened and naive Christian 
conservatives trying to earn the respect of the swaggering rich, important guys 
across the bar.  The rich guys drink better beer and drive more expensive 
cars, but the Religious Right has some really attractive sisters they bring to 
the ball, and that makes everyone in the room fast friends -- to the enrichment 
of the guys operating the microphone.

Keely
www.keely-prevailingwinds.com






From: jampot at roadrunner.com
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 
2010 12:01:46 -0700
Subject: [Vision2020] rosey future for rabid liberal at 
loose ends?


Anybody care to speculate on how 
long it takes for unceremoniously sacked  MSNBC hack, Keith 
Olbermann to swallow what little pride he may have left and accept 
a position along side Alan Colmes, Mara Liasson, Juan Williams, Bob 
Beckel, Kirsten Powers, Susan Estrich, Tammy Bruce, Pat Caddell, etc. over 
at what appears to be the only fair and balance news source, FOX? The idea 
of watching him on Sean Hannity's show makes me laugh just thinking about 
it.
 
g
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