[Vision2020] FW: discharging firearms- was Pres mans-up, Crabtree doesn't

[Dan Carscallen]

Regarding "well-regulated militia", the definition of militia that I think most apply is "The entire able-bodied population of a community, town, county, or state available to be called to arms."

So there's that . . .

DC

On Nov 5, 2010, at 13:21, keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com> wrote:

> Not really responding to the "bear/use" argument, but along the same line . . . I continually wonder why the phrase "well-regulated militia" in the Second Amendment doesn't get more discussion.  It seems to me that a bunch of poorly informed, angry, hate-fueled, paranoid men crawling around a Kentucky forest in greasepaint with little supervision and lots of powerful arms and ammo can't possibly be a "well-regulated" ANYTHING, much less a "militia."  If these types of people would submit to commonsense regulation, order, discipline, accountability and the occasional intrusion of fact, perhaps we could then consider their gun rights in a different light.
> 
> Frankly, these "militias" are an insult to the brave men and women in the U.S. armed forces, and the worst possible argument in favor of wide-open gun ownership and use.
> 
> Keely
> www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
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> 
> > From: dickow at turbonet.com
> > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 12:43:52 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] FW: discharging firearms- was Pres mans-up,	Crabtree doesn't
> > 
> > Thanks, Tom! The Webster online does NOT indicate that 'to bear' (at least
> > in the case of bearing arms) means also 'to use.' I feel better now.
> > 
> > Bob Dickow, troublemaker
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
> > On Behalf Of Robert Dickow
> > Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 12:01 PM
> > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Subject: [Vision2020] FW: discharging firearms- was Pres mans-up, Crabtree
> > doesn't
> > 
> > Well, I guess if 'to bear' means also 'to use,' then my argument does not
> > hold. However, I must say that that definition was not my lifelong
> > understanding of the meaning of 'to bear,' which is means 'to carry,' as in
> > 'to bear a heavy load of wood.' Using the wood is another thing altogether.
> > ("Hand me that match, will ya? I want to finish up bearing my wood now.")
> > 
> > Bob Dickow, troublemaker 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
> > On Behalf Of Garrett Clevenger
> > Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 11:32 AM
> > To: vision2020_moscow.com
> > Subject: [Vision2020] discharging firearms- was Pres mans-up, Crabtree
> > doesn't
> > 
> > Bob writes:
> > 
> > "But to complicate things, keep in mind that although the Constitution
> > protects the right to keep and bear arms, it says nothing about our rights
> > to discharge those arms."
> > 
> > 
> > >From what my dictionary says, "to bear" means "to hold and use" which in
> > the case of a firearm seems to me to mean to discharge.
> > 
> > If a law prevents someone from using their gun, how is that not
> > unconstitutional? (I'm playing the devil's advocate here)
> > 
> > I suppose that since there are laws that limit free speech, I suppose
> > interpretation of our constitutional amendments is very subjective.
> > 
> > gclev
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