[Vision2020] Sign seen in Genesee
lfalen
lfalen at turbonet.com
Fri Nov 5 11:23:33 PDT 2010
Keely and Debi
I think that you are both good people and have your heart in the right place. However I think that your are wrong in your solutions of throwing more money at the problem. Some expenditure are necessary at least in the short term. No one wants to see people starve in the street. Workmen's Compensation is a good program, payed into by both employees and employers. Food stamps are also good but is greatly abused. I would agree that there are a lot of tax exemptions that should be eliminated. All of these should be evaluated on the basis of how they effect the economy. Do they help to keep small business from going broke? To they help to provide new jobs or keep people from losing jobs? Programs that provide jobs are the way to lessen the gap between the haves and have nots. Any welfare program should be designed for people to get off as soon as possible. Money should be spent on job creation and training. Put more money into Community Colleges and Skilled Trade Schools. I take
exception to your statement " The newly-fanned hate and racism of the far right." If you are referring to the Tea Party, you are off base. There have been quite a few backs running for office that have been endorsed by the Tea Party. The Tea Party do nothing but honor minority figures that have fought for civil rights, such as King and Douglass. There has been some racist element at Tea Party rallies. These are exposed as interloper.
Andrew Breitbart has a reward offered for any one who can prove that the Tea Party is racist. It has not been claimed. Just because a lot of those in the news media and the NAACP continue to spout it, does not make it so. The last half of your last sentence has some merit.
Roger
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From: keely emerinemix kjajmix1 at msn.com
Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2010 12:14:30 -0700
To: philosopher.joe at gmail.com, lfalen at turbonet.com
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Sign seen in Genesee
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> (Piggybacking on Joe's, but aimed toward Roger and the others who jump on "Pelosi's Food Stamp Economic Theory")
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> No one, least of all Nancy Pelosi, believes that permanent reliance on food stamps and unemployment constitutes solid and comprehensive economic policy. But I think she and other liberals see that whatever legitimate threats exist from sources outside the U.S., our greatest vulnerability as a nation and a people is the obscene widening of the gap between the "have"s and the "have-not"s. Poverty, disenfranchisement, and a stratified, ill-informed electorate not only represent enormous threats to our way of life -- and certainly to the way of life of the poor and disenfranchised -- but are fruit of unchecked, reckless, "smoke-and-mirror" markets; the hemorrhage of favor, legislation, and tax breaks to corporations; the lingering bigotry that is America's original sin as well as the newly-fanned hate and racism on the far Right; and inattention, malicious or not, to the cracks in our own house while focusing obsessively on enemies who, in the last decade, would not have bee!
n enemies
if the U.S. had conducted itself with even a passing attempt to mirror the Judeo-Christian foundation so many espouse.
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> Debi R-S said it well yesterday when she pointed out that eight disastrous years of W can hardly be undone in two years by a President whose every legislative idea is automatically rejected by the GOP -- and, I might add, who is still hampered by the viciously inane suppositions that he's a swarthy, shadowy, foreign usurper and African anti-colonialst. For God's sake, Roger, is it just possible that Pelosi, et al, sees that food stamps are needed because people can't feed their families? Or does everything the Democrats do automatically incur your wrath or mockery? You may "win" a point here and there on Vision 2020 -- or not -- but families struggling to stay in their homes and feed their kids sure as hell won't ever win in this political climate, and haven't for a very, very long time.
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> Keely
> www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
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> > From: philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> > Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 10:58:30 -0700
> > To: lfalen at turbonet.com
> > CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sign seen in Genesee
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> > Stop the lies. Clinton did more to limit welfare than any US president. Sight an independent source to prove me wrong. You won't and can't. The Genesee sign is not an independent source, by the way.
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> > On Nov 2, 2010, at 10:26 AM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
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> > > Pelosi seems to think that food stamps are the best way to stimulate the economy. I do not think that anybody is against food stamps and unemployment checks in the short run. They are important programs. But to say that is the best way to stimulate the economy is nuts. Programs that generate jobs are the way to go. Other good programs that I support are volunteer ones such as Sojourners Alliance, Alternatives to Violence on the Palouse and Meals on Wheels. State sponsored welfare programs should only be temporary.
> > > Roger
> > > -----Original message-----
> > > From: "ringoshirl" ringoshirl at moscow.com
> > > Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2010 15:00:16 -0700
> > > To: "Art Deco" deco at moscow.com, "Vision 2020" vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sign seen in Genesee
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> > >> Well, Roger Democrats do provide those safety nets for people in need. However, we had proposals in the most recent session to try to generate employment. Do you think we're telling people to forget about working, food stamps are better?
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> > >> Shirley
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: Art Deco
> > >> To: Vision 2020
> > >> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 3:17 PM
> > >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sign seen in Genesee
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> You stupid ass, Roger.
> > >>
> > >> Nothing is that simple. We face very complex problems. There are many competing schools of economic thought, but none can claim any significant amount of verification.
> > >>
> > >> It is this oversimplification of problems and their solutions that in part gives rise to ignorance, false hopes, disappointment, anger, and the failure of current politics.
> > >>
> > >> w.
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: lfalen
> > >> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > >> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 1:19 PM
> > >> Subject: [Vision2020] Sign seen in Genesee
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> > >>
> > >> Sign seen in Genesee
> > >> Democrats= Food Stamps
> > >> Unemployment
> > >> Welfare checks
> > >>
> > >> Republicans= Pay checks
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> It is that simple
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Roger
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