[Vision2020] Stop Misleading Electorate
John Pool
jpool at moscow.com
Sat May 22 21:23:25 PDT 2010
I have to agree with GS on this, sort of. Questioning the cost of the upper
administrative level of NSA is, in this thread, a red herring. But there is
a more fundamental question here that hasn't been raised, least of all by
the finger-pointing political candidates, and that is: what is "waste?" How
is it being defined? If I don't like it, is it waste? What if I like it but
you don't? What if the parents of the young people who are in school like it
but those who either never had children or whose children are grown and out
of the system don't like it?
Do the blathering, know-nothing wannabe political types really care about
making the public education system more efficient?
If you believe the latter, I have this bridge in Brooklyn that I'll sell
you. Cheap.
John Pool
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From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of Glenn Schwaller
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 4:33 PM
To: vision2020
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Stop Misleading Electorate
MT writes: "For every tax-exempt entity there exists that much more of
a tax burden borne by the tax-paying public."
OK - so?? My somewhat rhetorical question was, maybe the waste is in
the upper administrative level - such as been pointed out to exist at
UI. "Get rid of these jokers" you cry. I simply ask should this not
be investigated across the public (PUBLIC) education board? NSA has
nothing, nothing, nothing to do with this argument. Mixup simply
likes to bring apples to an orange fight, and you seem to want to toss
in a tomato or two.
Taxing these tax-exempt entities prevents waste by how??? The
argument, if you can follow it, is not about lack of money for
schools. Schools will always lack money. The argument is waste. I
assume your position is, get rid of the tax exemptions, and the
schools will have more money. Great. Problem solved. Except, the
more there is, the less concern there is on monitoring, reducing,
eliminating waste.
So you really want to start taxing tax-exempt entities? Really?? Or
is it just those with whom you have some hissy-fit issue. Nope - you
un-exempt one you un-exempt 'em all. Including:
TEACHER RETIREMENT FUND ORGANIZATIONS; Cooperative Organizations to
Finance Crop Operations; Supplemental Unemployment Benefit Trusts;
Employee Funded Pension Trust; POSTS OR ORGANIZATIONS OF MEMBERS OF
THE ARMED FORCES; Black Lung Benefit Trusts; Veterans Organization;
CHILD CARE ORGANIZATIONS; Cooperative Service Organizations of
Operating Educational Organizations; COOPERATIVE HOSPITAL SERVICE
ORGANIZATIONS; FARMER'S COOPERATIVE ASSOCIATIONS; Religious,
Educational, Charitable, Scientific, Literary, Testing for Public
Safety, to Foster National or International Amateur Sports
Competition, or PREVENTION OF CRUELTY TO CHILDREN OR ANIMALS
ORGANIZATIONS; Civic Leagues, SOCIAL WELFARE ORGANIZATIONS; Local
Associations of Employees; Labor, Agricultural, and Horticultural
Organizations; Business Leagues, Chambers of Commerce, Real Estate
Boards - the list goes on.
So ya MT, why don't you just start some little grass roots
get-rid-of-the-tax-exempt-organizations movement and show the schools,
the teachers, our farmers and child care workers, our police and fire
organizations, our hospitals and veterans how much you really care.
Need to buy a paragraph MT?
GS
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 8:49 AM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
> Squalor stated:
>
> "And this is important to 'vast amounts of money being wasted in our
> public schools' because???"
>
> For every tax-exempt entity (i.e. New Saint Andrews College), there exists
> that much more of a tax burden borne by the tax-paying public.
>
> Need to buy a vowel, gs?
>
> Jeesh!
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
>
>> Mixed-up asks: "By the way, anyone out there know how many
>> administrators NSA has?"
>>
>> And this is important to "vast amounts of money being wasted in our
>> public schools" because???
>>
>> Sheesh
>>
>> GS
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 4:07 PM, keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
>> wrote:
>>> It's administrators who ensure that our public school district conforms
>>> to
>>> often nearly impossible-to-understand Federal guidelines, and without
>>> these
>>> administrators, this and every other school district in the United
>>> States is
>>> in danger of unintentional violation of Fed policy -- and risks falling
>>> behind not only Fed mandates, but behind other schools as well. In a
>>> competitive, high-stakes, constantly changing public schools climate, I
>>> really think that we understand how important it is to make sure the
>>> ship is
>>> running as it ought to be, even if, to the uninformed, it appears to be
>>> a
>>> top-heavy picture.
>>>
>>> By the way, anyone out there know how many administrators NSA has? Not
>>> "fellows," "Dons," or pirates, jet pilots, or superheroes, but
>>> administrators? I think the school has about 200 students. I wish
>>> someone
>>> could educate us on how many deans, directors, lead staff, and other
>>> higher-ups are on the school's payroll.
>>>
>>> Keely
>>> www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 12:37:17 -0700
>>>> From: vpschwaller at gmail.com
>>>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Stop Misleading Electorate
>>>>
>>>> Well . . .. I'm going to venture a guess here (then do some digging so
>>>> don't be getting yer knickers in a twist) but I suspect, as many of
>>>> you "progressives" have spouted on here RE: University of Idaho, maybe
>>>> one needs to "look at the top". Funny how you don't seem to think
>>>> that pertains to K-12 schools.
>>>>
>>>> GS
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 7:41 AM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
>>>> > Courtesy of the "Letters" section of today's (May 21, 2010)
>>>> > Moscow-Pullman
>>>> > Daily News with a VERY special thanks to Tom Brandt.
>>>> >
>>>> > ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> >
>>>> > Stop misleading electorate
>>>> >
>>>> > By golly, it must be campaign time again. The old whipping boy has
>>>> been
>>>> > trotted out into public square for his bi-annual flogging. That's
>>>> right,
>>>> > it's those evil public schools ruining our country once again.
>>>> >
>>>> > Of course, our new local political wannabes have jumped up on the
>>>> > bandwagon. "We are spending a lot on education, but we're not getting
>>>> > much
>>>> > as a return," said David Klingenberg in his candidate bio. Ike Young
>>>> > one-upped Klingenberg by stating "There (are) vast amounts of money
>>>> > wasted
>>>> > in our public schools."
>>>> >
>>>> > Really? When was the last time either of you spent any amount of
>>>> quality
>>>> > time in any school? I teach at Moscow High School, and I would love
>>>> to
>>>> > have you come into my room and show me some of the "vast amounts of
>>>> > money"
>>>> > I'm wasting.
>>>> >
>>>> > It certainly can't be our building. The main part was built in the
>>>> > 1930s.
>>>> > How about our books? Nope. I don't even have enough books (which are
>>>> six
>>>> > years old) for all of my students in one course. I have barely enough
>>>> > books for the second course (also six years old), and my statistics
>>>> > books
>>>> > are copyrighted 1999, many of them having lost their covers some time
>>>> > ago.
>>>> >
>>>> > How about the furniture? I've got a random assortment of three
>>>> different
>>>> > styles of desks. Don't know how old they are, but they are
>>>> functional.
>>>> > Incidentally, there was no furniture budget last year and there won't
>>>> be
>>>> > one next year.
>>>> >
>>>> > We turn off our computers and peripherals at night to save
>>>> electricity,
>>>> > and I even use chalk, partly because I like it, but also because it's
>>>> a
>>>> > lot cheaper than markers.
>>>> >
>>>> > So, Klingenberg and Young, show me where my waste is. If you don't
>>>> have
>>>> > any specific suggestions, stop misleading the electorate and find out
>>>> > what
>>>> > is really going on.
>>>> >
>>>> > Tom Brandt, Moscow
>>>> >
>>>> > ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> >
>>>> > If anybody knows Mr. Brandt's email address, please pass it on to me,
>>>> > ok?
>>>> > I'd like to buy him a beer.
>>>> >
>>>> > Seeya round town, Moscow.
>>>> >
>>>> > Tom Hansen
>>>> > Moscow, Idaho
>>>> >
>>>> > "The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects it to
>>>> > change
>>>> > and the Realist adjusts his sails."
>>>> >
>>>> > - Unknown
>>>> >
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