[Vision2020] Noble Found Not Guilty Due to Temporary Insanity

Wed May 5 20:02:53 PDT 2010

Utter rot.

Your callous comparison of the mentally ill to alcoholics speaks more of you than I would care to know.

Sunil 

From: deco at moscow.com
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 19:53:41 -0700
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Noble Found Not Guilty Due to Temporary Insanity

Sunil, Andreas,

So you think that someone with mental health issues doesn't realize that 
things are not just right?

There may be a few cases where that is true, but it is hard to believe that 
people do not realize that they are beginning to experience problems.

In the case of Noble, among other things, the reports are that he was 
consuming copious amounts of caffeine based energy drinks.  Can not a 
person know that such behavior is not normal, that something is wrong, and 
something needs to be done?  And that failure to do so may result in some 
unpredictable, possibly destructive incidents?

Nor is a mental illness a white/black phenomenon.  It is a 
continuum.  A person is not totally mentally healthy one day, then in the 
state of having lost their mind the next.

How is a developing mental health problem any different from when 
people start to drink too much alcohol?  Or start to cough too much?

Mental illness is generally not a fulminating, fast developing 
phenomenon; it develops over time and with changes and symptoms that 
should be danger signs to the person and to those around them.

So the answer to your question "You think he should 
recognize the signs that he's losing his mind WHILE HE'S LOSING HIS 
MIND?" is that for most cases, yes.  Just as a person drinking 
alcohol recognizes that they are starting to drink too much, a person starting 
to see puzzling or destructive changes in their behavior is generally aware that 
things are not just right.  That's the time for a responsible person to act 
to right the ship.

That's why many people do seek help for mental health 
problems or find ways to right themselves.  Those that don't are like those 
that start to drink too much or cough too much, they fail to exercise personal 
responsibility.

I have known many people who have had mental health issues.  Most of 
those either sought treatment or found a way to deal with it 
successfully. 

I simply do not by the argument that people with mental health issues are 
so afflicted from the onset that they are unable to recognize that a problem 
exists, and are unable to do anything about it.  That fact that many 
persons do seek positive ways to deal with mental health issues certainly 
contradicts such a position.  Failure to do so is not a mitigating factor, 
but an exacerbating factor.

W.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: 
  Sunil Ramalingam 
  To: vision 2020 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 6:13 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Noble Found Not 
  Guilty Due to Temporary Insanity

What Utter Crap.

"Treatment is fine and necessary but there should also be some penalty 
  for the lack of responsibility in not seeking treatment/mitigation before the 
  mental illness progresses so far that control is lost."

What personal 
  responsibility do you expect to be exercised by a person who is losing his or 
  her mind?

You think he should recognize the signs that he's losing his 
  mind WHILE HE'S LOSING HIS MIND?

Maybe you come to this remarkable 
  conclusion having spent a significant amount of time working with mentally ill 
  people. Maybe you have the training and expertise to conclude that they are 
  able to exercise reason while their minds are disintegrating.

Does this 
  expertise extend to people with no prior diagnosis? With no prior experience 
  of the symptoms and conditions? Who may not even realize that something is 
  wrong?

Yeah, the mentally ill have it too friggin' easy. Let's penalize 
  them for lacking the foresight to responsibly deal with terrifying symptoms, 
  while they're lost in their own heads. 

I just knew you were going to 
  post something like this when I saw Tom Hansen's post. Like clockwork, just 
  like clockwork.

Sunil

  From: deco at moscow.com
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 
  18:01:05 -0700
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Noble Found Not Guilty Due to 
  Temporary Insanity

  I agree with Tom.

  At what point when a person sees that not all is right does 
  it become ethical to seek help.  That's what personal responsibility is 
  about.  I hope that the insanity defense laws will be changed to reflect 
  that responsibility.

  Treatment is fine and necessary but there should also be 
  some penalty for the lack of responsibility in not seeking 
  treatment/mitigation before the mental illness progresses so far that control 
  is lost.

  W.

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Tom Hansen 

    To: Moscow Vision 2020 
    Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 4:12 
    PM
    Subject: [Vision2020] Noble Found Not 
    Guilty Due to Temporary Insanity

Courtesy of the Daily 
    News.

--------------------------------------------------------------

Noble 
    found not guilty due to temporary insanity
May 5, 2010, 3:57 
    pm

Dan Noble was found not guilty of two counts of vehicular assault 
    and two
counts of hit and run in Whitman County Superior Court on 
    Wednesday.

Judge David Frazier ruled that Noble was temporarily 
    insane during the
Dec. 9 incident, in which he ran over two Washington 
    State University
students with his car on the WSU campus in 
    Pullman.

-------------------------------------------------------------

Perhaps 
    now Mr. Noble can get the help necessary to prevent this from 
    ever
happening again.

Although Mr. Noble's temporary loss of 
    self-control was the major
contributing factor in this incidents, I still 
    feel that preventive
measures should have been taken to avoid this from 
    happening.

Seeya round town, Moscow.

Tom Hansen
Moscow, 
    Idaho

"The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects 
    it to change
and the Realist adjusts his sails."

- 
    Unknown

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