[Vision2020] Former US Senator & 9/11 Commissoner Max Cleland: "this governmentknew a whole lot more about these terrorists before September 11 than it has ever admitted...."
lfalen
lfalen at turbonet.com
Mon Mar 22 13:49:42 PDT 2010
There has many books written,lawsuits and movies about the Warren Commission also. Anybody can write a book speculating on conspiracies. This is not proof of anything.
Roger
-----Original message-----
From: Ted Moffett starbliss at gmail.com
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 17:10:31 -0700
To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
Subject: Former US Senator & 9/11 Commissoner Max Cleland: "this governmentknew a whole lot more about these terrorists before September 11 than it has
ever admitted...."
> If there was an effort to exploit a pending terror attack, a "new Pearl
> Harbor,"
> to pursue an agenda of expansion of US military power (as outlined by "The
> Project for the New American Century" neo-cons (
> http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf ), the
> efforts would have been black-ops intelligence, with multiple layers of
> plausible tenability and secrecy such an effort would demand. And if anyone
> thinks the US does not engage in black-ops, that are guarded with the utmost
> secrecy, I have some ocean front property for sale in Utah at a bargain
> price.
>
> I am not basing my concerns regarding questioning the actions of US agents
> before 9/11 and after on wild speculation or fringe conspiracy theories.
>
> Credible well researched investigations into the 9/11 Commission uncover
> numerous very serious problems with their conclusions. Before closing your
> mind, you might want to do more reading:
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/04/books/04thom.html
>
> THE COMMISSION
>
> The Uncensored History of the 9/11 Commission
>
> By Philip Shenon
>
> ----------------------------------
>
> http://www.harpers.org/archive/2004/10/0080234
> Whitewash as public service:
> How *The 9/11 Commission Report* defrauds the nation
>
> *By Benjamin DeMott <http://www.harpers.org/subjects/BenjaminDeMott>*
>
> *----------------------------------------*
>
> http://911pft.com/pft/catalog/In-Their-Own-Words-p-10.html
>
> In late 2006, the movie 9/11 Press For Truth became a worldwide underground
> hit. It exposed the story of the "Jersey Girls" and their allies -- the 9/11
> families who had fought for the Commission but ultimately failed in seeing
> 70% of their questions answered.
>
> A unique, balanced look at a diverse group of topics includes:
>
> - Top officials' whereabouts and changing stories on the day of 9/11
> - Insider trading before the attacks
> - War games coinciding with Sept. 11th
> - A confrontation between the families and FBI Director Mueller
> - British reports that some of the hijackers named by the FBI are simply
> wrong
> - Government whistleblowers' calls for accountability
> - The FBI informant who lived with 2 of the hijackers
> - A Defense Department program that identified 4 hijackers in 2000
> - The families' push to receive the Pentagon crash tapes
> - Bin Laden extradition negotiations after 9/11
> - The Project For the New American Century
>
> ----------------
> http://www.911truth.org/downloads/9-11_coverup_booklet.pdf
>
> Former 9/11 commissioner and Senator Max Cleland attacked his own commission
> after the other members cut a deal to accept highly limited access to CIA
> reports to the White House that may indicate advance knowledge of the
> attacks on the part of the Bush administration. "This is a scam," Cleland
> said. "It's disgusting. America is being cheated."
>
> "As each day goes by," Cleland said, "we learn that this government knew a
> whole lot more about these terrorists before September 11 than it has ever
> admitted.... Let's chase this rabbit into the ground. They had a plan to go
> to war and when 9/11 happened that's what they did; they went to war."
> ------------------------------------------
> Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett
>
> On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 11:31 AM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
>
> > I am glad that you say "if". Regardless of that is is ridiculous to assert
> > that it may have been planed by anyone in the Bush administration. To say
> > some heads should have rolled may be appropriate , but hind sight is always
> > better than foresight.
> > Roger
> > -----Original message-----
> > From: Ted Moffett starbliss at gmail.com
> > Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 17:01:38 -0700
> > To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Power Hour "Libertarian" Radio
> > ShowPromotesClaim of 9/11 Cover-up[
> >
> > > I am not saying President W. Bush deliberately allowed 9/11 to happen,
> > > except insofar as he was incompetent. And the historical facts in my post
> > > are accurate. Name one fact in the post you responded to that is not
> > well
> > > verified.
> > >
> > > *If, and I emphasize if*, there was any deliberate intentional
> > malfeasance
> > > among agents of the US to exploit a pending terror attack against the US
> > to
> > > promote the agenda of the "Project for the New American Century" (Cheney
> > and
> > > Rumsfeld supported this project) which is rather explicit in documents
> > > noting that a "new Pearl Harbor" would provide the justification for an
> > > expansion of US military hegemony, President W. Bush would likely have
> > been
> > > a figure head, not a planner of such malfeasance, and likely kept out of
> > the
> > > loop.
> > >
> > > Some think that Cheney was more president, in reality, than Bush during
> > his
> > > presidency.
> > > ------------------------------------------
> > > Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett
> > >
> > > On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:26 AM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Your history is distorted. Bush did not allow 9/11 to happen anymore
> > than
> > > > FDR allowed Pearl Harbor to happen( I am not a fan of either). On Pearl
> > > > Harbor the Japanese code was broken and a message was sent out. Neither
> > FDR
> > > > or the military higher ups received it.
> > > > Roger
> > > > -----Original message-----
> > > > From: Ted Moffett starbliss at gmail.com
> > > > Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 13:33:05 -0700
> > > > To: Paul Rumelhart godshatter at yahoo.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Power Hour "Libertarian" Radio Show
> > > > PromotesClaim of 9/11 Cover-up[
> > > >
> > > > > President Bush's August briefing before 9/11 explicitly stated "Bin
> > Laden
> > > > > determined to strike in US."
> > > > >
> > > > > I question the theory that the 9/11 attacks and the collapse of the
> > > > > buildings involved was orchestrated by agents of the US. But the
> > theory
> > > > > that 9/11 was "allowed" to happen, that there was substantial
> > evidence
> > > > that
> > > > > terrorists were going to strike the US, but the aggressive actions
> > > > required
> > > > > to stop the attack were deliberately avoided, is possible, given that
> > the
> > > > > neo-con "Project for the New American Century" explicitly stated in
> > > > military
> > > > > think tank analysis prior to 9/11 ("Rebuilding America's Defenses:
> > > > Strategy,
> > > > > Forces and Resources for a New Century" September 2000:
> > > > > http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf ),
> > > > that a
> > > > > "new Pearl Harbor" would provide the justification for the expansion
> > of
> > > > US
> > > > > military power into the Middle East and elsewhere.
> > > > >
> > > > > At best, the fact that more aggressive steps were not taken to stop
> > the
> > > > 9/11
> > > > > attacks, reveals gross incompetence, if not a deliberate conspiracy
> > to
> > > > > exploit a major terror attack against the US as a "new Pearl Harbor"
> > to
> > > > > expand US military/economic hegemony. Cheney and Rumsfeld signed the
> > > > > "Statement of Principles" for the "Project for the New American
> > Century"
> > > > in
> > > > > 1997 ( http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm).
> > > > It is
> > > > > no surprise they assumed positions of great power in the second Bush
> > > > > administration, given the agenda to expand US military/economic
> > hegemony
> > > > was
> > > > > planned well in advance, if they could gain the White House back.
> > > > >
> > > > > I won't continue a history lesson here (the two websites below offer
> > a
> > > > > critical analysis of 9/11 orthodoxy). But there are very serious
> > > > questions
> > > > > that can be raised regarding why more aggressive steps were not taken
> > to
> > > > > stop the 9/11 plot, given the information we know the US government
> > > > > possessed regarding the plans for a terror attack on the US, who
> > might
> > > > carry
> > > > > out such an attack, and that use of commercial aircraft as terror
> > weapons
> > > > > was known prior to 9/11 as a likely method. Bush administration
> > national
> > > > > security advisor Condoleeza Rice was either woefully uninformed,
> > which I
> > > > > doubt given her intelligence, or engaging in "spin" propaganda to
> > hide
> > > > the
> > > > > tracks of Bush administration failures regarding the 9/11 attacks,
> > when
> > > > she
> > > > > made the statements quoted from the second website below:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO405E.html
> > > > >
> > > > > ---------------------
> > > > >
> > > >
> > http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?the_post-9/11_world=denials&timeline=complete_911_timeline
> > > > >
> > > > > >From website immediately above:
> > > > > May 16, 2002: Nobody Predicted 9/11-Style Attacks, Says Condoleezza
> > > > > Rice<
> > > > http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a051602rice#a051602rice
> > >
> > > > > [image: Edit event]<
> > > >
> > http://www.historycommons.org/eventedit.jsp?oid=1626004942-36209&drafts=null&timeline=complete_911_timeline
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > [image: National Security Adviser Rice tries to explain what Bush
> > knew
> > > > and
> > > > > when in her May 16, 2002 press conference.]National Security Adviser
> > Rice
> > > > > tries to explain what Bush knew and when in her May 16, 2002 press
> > > > > conference. *[Source: CNN]*National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice
> > > > > states, “I don’t think anybody could have predicted that these people
> > > > would
> > > > > take an airplane and slam it into the World Trade Center, take
> > another
> > > > one
> > > > > and slam it into the Pentagon, that they would try to use an airplane
> > as
> > > > a
> > > > > missile,” adding that “even in retrospect” there was “nothing” to
> > suggest
> > > > > that. [White House,
> > > > > 5/16/2002<
> > > >
> > http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/05/20020516-13.html
> > > > >
> > > > > ] Contradicting Rice’s claims, former CIA Deputy Director John Gannon
> > > > > acknowledges that such a scenario has long been taken seriously by US
> > > > > intelligence: “If you ask anybody could terrorists convert a plane
> > into a
> > > > > missile? [N]obody would have ruled that out.” Rice also states, “The
> > > > > overwhelming bulk of the evidence was that this was an attack that
> > was
> > > > > likely to take place overseas.” [MSNBC, 5/17/2002] Slate awards Rice
> > the
> > > > > “Whopper of the Week” when the title of Bush’s August 6 briefing is
> > > > > revealed: “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US.” [Slate,
> > > > > 5/23/2002<http://slate.msn.com/?id=2066154>
> > > > > ] Rice later will concede that “somebody did imagine it” but will say
> > she
> > > > > did not know about such intelligence until well after this
> > conference.
> > > > > [Associated
> > > > > Press, 9/21/2002]
> > > > > ------------------------------------------
> > > > >
> > > > > Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett
> > > > > On 3/14/10, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Trust, once lost, takes a lot of work to get back. When you have
> > the
> > > > U.S.
> > > > > > government arming Osama and the CIA enabling drug trafficking for
> > the
> > > > > > Contras, it's not a big stretch to wonder if they had any
> > involvement
> > > > in
> > > > > > 9/11. There are enough strange things surrounding 9/11 that I
> > would
> > > > not be
> > > > > > surprised to find the government was involved.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The reason I obey traffic laws has more to do with safety than
> > trust of
> > > > the
> > > > > > government. Generally, the system works well enough that you can
> > at
> > > > least
> > > > > > have some faith in a contract, and some hope the police will
> > respond if
> > > > you
> > > > > > call them. I wouldn't want to be the guy that happened across some
> > > > > > confidential documents or saw the wrong thing go down at the wrong
> > > > time,
> > > > > > though.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Paul
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wayne Price wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Ted, et al,
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> One has to ask, or at least I do, why would people put any faith
> > in
> > > > these
> > > > > >> wild stories? While, I don't agree with 9/11 being an inside job,
> > > > there is
> > > > > >> a general distrust of ALL levels of government that just
> > > > > >> feed into things like this. And not just on the national level,
> > but
> > > > more
> > > > > >> importantly at the local levels as well. For instance, does anyone
> > > > living in
> > > > > >> Northern Idaho really think the "boys in Boise" even care about
> > North
> > > > > >> Idaho?
> > > > > >> If they feel that way, why? Does anyone trust an employment
> > contract
> > > > or
> > > > > >> retirement contract with the U of I? If not, why? Can you trust
> > that
> > > > the
> > > > > >> speed limits on our county roads are legitimate? If not, why?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Distrust of "government",once it starts, is hard to turn around
> > and I
> > > > > >> believe that in America, we have a long long way to go.
> > Perceptions,
> > > > good or
> > > > > >> bad are real, even though they may not be true. And it is in the
> > light
> > > > of
> > > > > >> those perceptions that people live, not in light of the truth or
> > > > falsity of
> > > > > >> an issue.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > >> On Mar 13, 2010, at 4:42 PM, Ted Moffett wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> There are a lot of "conservatives" who believe in a government
> > > > cover-up
> > > > > >>> regarding the facts of 9/11.
> > > > > >>> There is a radio show that has a large following that has been
> > on
> > > > the
> > > > > >>> air for years, that I have listened to numerous times on
> > shortwave,
> > > > that is
> > > > > >>> very political but in some ways hard to stereotype. I suppose
> > you
> > > > could
> > > > > >>> call it hard core libertarian (they passionately promoted Ron
> > Paul's
> > > > > >>> presidential bid), which means that it is very distrustful of
> > > > government in
> > > > > >>> a consistent aggressive way that many traditional "mainstream"
> > > > conservatives
> > > > > >>> are not. Anti-abortion views are expressed, which fits the
> > current
> > > > > >>> Republican agenda, but there are two issues that have received a
> > lot
> > > > of air
> > > > > >>> time where the show has argued for government cover-ups, Gulf War
> > > > Syndrome
> > > > > >>> among vets, and 9/11. This show aggressively attacked the Bush
> > > > > >>> administration, and is doing the same to Obama's. Main website
> > for
> > > > this
> > > > > >>> radio show:
> > > > > >>> http://www.thepowerhour.com/
> > > > > >>> ---------------------------------------------
> > > > > >>> The following documentary described at the website below,
> > promoted by
> > > > > >>> "The Power Hour," pulls no punches regarding what it claims was
> > "a
> > > > massive
> > > > > >>> cover-up" regarding 9/11:
> > > > > >>> http://www.thepowermall.com/
> > > > > >>> *911 In Plane Site
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> *New* "The Directors Cut" *with *"More Footage - More Photographs
> > -
> > > > More
> > > > > >>> Evidence" *
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> *PRODUCER: Dave vonKleist*
> > > > > >>> DIRECTOR: William Lewis
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Due to the overwhelming response of "911 In Plane Site," we were
> > able
> > > > to
> > > > > >>> collect mountains of new footage and photographs from sources all
> > > > over the
> > > > > >>> world. We can now say, without a shadow of doubt, that we have
> > > > undeniable
> > > > > >>> evidence of a massive cover-up. From the 16 ft. hole in the outer
> > > > walls of
> > > > > >>> the Pentagon to the news reports of bombs, explosions and
> > potential
> > > > > >>> demolition of World Trade Centers 1, 2 and 7, to the strange
> > > > attachment on
> > > > > >>> the bottom of Flight 175 and the mysterious flashes caught on
> > > > videotape by
> > > > > >>> at least five separate sources, it is clear - 911 was an inside
> > job.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> From Dave vonKleist, co-host of The Power Hour radio program and
> > > > > >>> writer/producer of the album "Will Someone Listen" & William
> > Lewis,
> > > > producer
> > > > > >>> of "American Freedom News", "TruNews" and producer/writer of the
> > > > album
> > > > > >>> "Police State" comes a full length documentary exposing one of
> > the
> > > > largest
> > > > > >>> conspiracies ever uncovered. With the pounding force of a
> > > > sledgehammer you
> > > > > >>> will find yourself horrified and astonished at the shear scope of
> > the
> > > > > >>> largest transgressions ever carried out against the people of the
> > > > United
> > > > > >>> States and indeed... of the entire world.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> ------------------------------------------
> > > > > >>> Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett
> > > > > >>> On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Gier, Nicholas <
> > NGIER at uidaho.edu
> > > > <mailto:
> > > > > >>> NGIER at uidaho.edu>> wrote:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Greetings:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> The Tea Party candidate in the three-way primary for Texas
> > > > > >>> governor said to Glenn Beck that she was still looking at the
> > > > > >>> evidence for a 9-11 cover-up. Beck's response was something
> > like
> > > > > >>> "We'd better look at another candidate!" Yes the Tea Party
> > > > > >>> people include not only "birthers" but "truthers."
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Nick Gier
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > > > > >>> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
> > > > > >>> <mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com> on behalf of Garrett
> > > > Clevenger
> > > > > >>> Sent: Fri 3/12/2010 11:36 AM
> > > > > >>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > > > > >>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] teabaggers
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> "I have yet to see you, Tom, Nick or Wayne comment on those
> > left
> > > > > >>> wingers
> > > > > >>> that think that 9/11 was an inside job of the Bush
> > > > Administration."
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> I don't think only some left-wingers believe that. Some
> > > > > >>> far-righters think there is a greater conspiracy relating to
> > > > > >>> that, too.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> I don't think it's a stretch, though, to assume GWB used 911
> > to
> > > > > >>> advance an agenda they had been planning on for a while (the
> > > > > >>> PATRIOT act, invading Iraq, etc)
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> That makes GWB look suspicious, especially considering some of
> > > > > >>> the discrepancies surrounding the 911 commission, which Bush
> > > > > >>> initially was against.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> It's also suspicious that that Bush and Cheney both refused to
> > > > > >>> testify under oath to the 911 commission.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Until someone looks at the arguments the 911 truthers are
> > > > > >>> conveying (and there is lots of interesting arguments in their
> > > > > >>> favor) you probably shouldn't be condemning what they say.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> I have no idea what the truth is, but I do know that powerful
> > > > > >>> people are in control and do despicable things to advance
> > their
> > > > > >>> power, whether thats an islamofacist or whoever...
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Garrett Clevenger
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
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> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>
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