[Vision2020] Blahg Update

Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
Wed Mar 17 11:01:51 PDT 2010


We're all entitled to our opinions! In any case, Donovan can certainly  
clear the whole thing up by joining me for lunch and answering a few  
questions. It is up to him, of course. When he returns I have some  
questions about Dale's posting of rumors about Ringo. Some other  
questions, as well. Call me curious! Joe





On Mar 17, 2010, at 1:48 PM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:

> Talk about conspiracy theories, what is this crap about Dale being  
> Donovan or Schwaller. I think they are perfectly capable of  
> responding if someone is impersonating them.
> Roger
> -----Original message-----
> From: Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 18:07:53 -0700
> To: the lockshop lockshop at pull.twcbc.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Blahg Update
>
>> G,
>>
>> Stop with the lies.
>>
>> His religion has little to do with why I dislike I dislike him. After
>> all, he has the same religion as me: Christian.
>>
>> It has more to do with his arrogance, his nasty disposition, his
>> constant insults and misrepresentations of liberals and progressives,
>> his pretending to be Donovan or Schwaller, and his relationship  
>> with a
>> group that has ignored the city code and local laws, tried to get
>> their politcal opponents fired, smeared feces inside and outside of
>> the cars of friends of mine, etc.
>>
>> That's why their opponents come from a variety of religious
>> backgrounds. That's why our anger is not directed at others who share
>> the politics and religious beliefs of his group. Try to explain that.
>> Why that group if it is based on prejudice?
>>
>> I'm pretty sure that Hitler would have been nice to you too and that
>> fact would mean absolutely nothing to me either. I'll be nice to you
>> too -- once you stop trying to wreck my reputation with your lies!
>> Really that's it. I don't give a damn about your beliefs or his.
>>
>> Not likely to happen soon, I imagine!
>>
>> Best, Joe
>>
>> On Mar 15, 2010, at 8:19 PM, "the lockshop" <lockshop at pull.twcbc.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 1. The first time I met Dale, he did the "I can't be him, no comb
>>> over" schtick. I laughed, he laughed and we went on from there to
>>> have a fairly agreeable conversation.
>>>
>>> 2. If someone, who was a charter member of a group that was
>>> blatantly hostile to me and mine (as the "intolerista" clan proudly
>>> proclaims) approached me in public while I was with clients/friends/
>>> family etc. I can tell you right now I would be less than
>>> enthusiastic to break away and engage the interloper in what would
>>> likely be a less than pleasant dialog. If that person started
>>> carrying on about her hatred for me and sobbed for some sort of
>>> absolution I would be desparately swiveling my head around in a
>>> paniced search for the guys in white coats with butterfly nets.
>>>
>>> 3. People speculate about public figures all the time and in many
>>> different forums. I seem to recall quite a bit of speculation on
>>> this particular list with regard to various city council members,
>>> congressmen, presidential candidates, and religious leaders without
>>> the same outpouring of faux concern.
>>>
>>> To sum this up, I've known Dale for a few years now and find him to
>>> be a pleasent fellow who, if you don't start off by jabbing him with
>>> a pointy, poo encrusted stick, will carry on a lively conversation
>>> as his time permits. Trying to cast him as some sort of an evil ogre
>>> because you dislike his religion, his pastor, and his politics is
>>> cheap theatrics and nothing more.
>>>
>>> g
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: keely emerinemix
>>> To: Tom Hansen
>>> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>> Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 11:15 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Blahg Update
>>>
>>> Before I start, let me express my relief that Shirley Ringo is not
>>> undergoing any kind of health crisis at all, period, and that she'll
>>> be running for re-election.  I'm very fond of Shirley and I think
>>> she's done a great job for Latah County.
>>>
>>> Second, I'd also like to express my disgust at Courtney's tactics in
>>> tossing about a rumor like this -- parsing words and managing to
>>> continue the snarkiness by generously reminding all of us that only
>>> her filing will put to rest the speculation.  Shirley has a filing
>>> deadline that I'm confident she'll meet; the "speculation" is likely
>>> generated and definitely furthered by Courtney, period.  She owes
>>> him nothing other than the basic decency he is unwilling to show
>>> her.  I have tried to show the same decency and courtesy to Dale, as
>>> one of the examples will demonstrate painfully.  But he won't take
>>> my calls, and he's blocked me from his email and his blog.  Now, I
>>> know that Dale may have Idaho's Most Popular Political Blog, and
>>> that does not make him a journalist, someone who, as a professional,
>>> would have simply checked with Shirley before printing, in his Most
>>> Popular Blog, a rumor that is as callous in regard to her health as
>>> it is mean-spirited at the prospect of her political career.
>>>
>>> So with that in mind, I'll share three examples of bad behavior on
>>> his part, directed at me and indicative, I think, of a spirit of
>>> gross unkindness, disingenuousness, and a lack of character I've
>>> rarely seen on the part of any adult of my acquaintance:
>>>
>>> 1.  Shortly after Sister's Brew opened up three years ago this
>>> spring, I ran into Dale with a group of his students.  I greeted him
>>> by name, only to have him say, in front of kids who knew that he was
>>> Mr. Courtney, "I'm not Dale.  I don't have a comb-over, see?"  This
>>> was in reference to Tom Hansen's having called him "Comb-Over."  For
>>> the record, one of Dale's faults is not that he combs his hair over
>>> a bald spot.  In fact, he has a full head of hair.  It covers a
>>> curious mental process that would allow him to continue to deny --
>>> in answer to a    simple "Hi, Dale!" -- that he was who we all knew
>>> him to be.
>>>
>>> 2.  Over the past few years, Dale has occasionally -- once, I think,
>>> would be too much -- referred to my being angry with him about
>>> something as "Keely got her panties in a wad."  Finally, my husband
>>> emailed him to tell him to stop, because it's disrespectful and
>>> entirely inappropriate for a man to say about a woman.  The back- 
>>> and-
>>> forth that followed consisted of Jeff's telling Dale to knock it
>>> off, and Dale's condescending insistence that grammarians and
>>> rhetoricists would all agree that in an idiom like "Keely got her
>>> panties in a wad," the subject of the idiomatic referent was never
>>> actually, truly, a direct, personal reference to that person herself
>>> and so there was no reason    to get upset . . or is it that the
>>> rhetorical allusion is symbolic and thus never literal, which makes
>>> it stupid of me to be offended?  True, he finally agreed to stop,
>>> only because Jeff, as my husband, had asked him to and only after
>>> arguing that it was Jeff's problem for not understanding the fine
>>> points of rhetoric.  I think "head-spinning weaselry" covers it.
>>>
>>> 3.  This last one made me cry.  It happened about two years ago at a
>>> concert at the NuArt; the artist was Christian balladeer Don
>>> Francisco.  I had been feeling bad about how close to hatred my
>>> feelings for Dale were becoming, and after repenting to the Lord, I
>>> sought forgiveness from Dale -- face to face, preferably, which is
>>> how I do these things, or by phone or email -- not possible, because
>>> he won't pick up my calls and has blocked me from his blog (he
>>> acknowledged that Jeff, in the example above, had managed to catch
>>> his email on a down day).  Anyway, I saw Dale at the show, during
>>> intermission, and I went up to him and said that I was beginning to
>>> feel as though I hated him, that it was wrong -- a sin, not because
>>> it offended my standards, but because it offended God's -- and that
>>> I would like him, please, to forgive me.  Dale's response?  He
>>> started the "I'm not Dale, I don't have a comb-over" thing,
>>> retreated, and then unleashed the "all of you Intoleristas are
>>> obnoxious" thing.  I kinda begged him to just hear my apologies, and
>>> I remember this well:  One, I was in tears, first at my own shame,
>>> and then at his obstinance; two, I was determined to not, myself, go
>>> the "OK, I'm sorry, but YOU did . . . "  route.  This one was about
>>> how I had sinned by starting to hate him.  But I left knowing that
>>> the aftermath was all, very sadly, about him.  I find that tragic.
>>> And, for all it's worth, I don't hate Dale at all and haven't
>>> since.  I pity him, and I hope to heap coals on his head, as the
>>> Bible says, to foster his repentance.
>>>
>>> There have been things that Dale has attributed to me that I've
>>> never said, and he's certainly been less than charitable in his
>>> dealings with me since.  I think his judgment is sorely lacking, his
>>> maturity riddled with contempt for others, and his character not in
>>> keeping with the Bible's standards for eldership.  There's nothing
>>> I've said here that I wouldn't gladly say to him; I think it's clear
>>> that I've tried.  His treatment of Shirley Ringo is awful.
>>>
>>> Keely
>>> www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
>>>
>>> Keely
>>> www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 09:09:40 -0700
>>>> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Blahg Update
>>>> From: thansen at moscow.com
>>>> To: kjajmix1 at msn.com
>>>> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>>
>>>> Keely kindly communicates:
>>>>
>>>> "Let me know if you need any facts to back up any rumors that Dale
>>> is
>>>> weasel-like in his dealings."
>>>>
>>>> You're on.
>>>>
>>>> Seeya at the Intolerista get-together April 10th, Keely.
>>>>
>>>> Tom Hansen
>>>> Moscow, Idaho
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And, you know, that's the calling of a true, Christian elder:
>>> reporting
>>>>> on gossip, rumor, and lies, particularly when they can do damage
>>> to a
>>>>> political enemy's re-election.
>>>>>
>>>>> Let me know if you need any facts to back up any rumors that
>>> Dale is
>>>>> weasel-like in his dealings.
>>>>>
>>>>> Keely
>>>>> www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 08:42:10 -0700
>>>>>> From: thansen at moscow.com
>>>>>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>>>> Subject: [Vision2020] Blahg Update
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Courtesy of Dale Courtney's blahg at:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2010/03/15/72722.aspx
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The following is from Idaho District 6 liberal Democrat, Rep.
>>> Shirley
>>>>>> Ringo:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - - - - -
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Visionaries:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I note that Dale Courtney posted information in his blog
>>> indicating
>>>>>> that I would not be running for re-election to the legislature
>>> due to
>>>>>> health reasons.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Starting last October, I had a series of surgical procedures to
>>>>>> improve circulation in my legs. The procedures were successful. I
>>>>>> have no lingering health problems that would keep me from
>>>>>> participating fully in the legislative process.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will file for re-election - the deadline is Friday, March 19.
>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>> Spence, reporter for the Lewiston Tribune, mentioned my plans
>>> to run
>>>>>> in a recent news article.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do not have, and have not confided any secret, strategic
>>> plans to
>>>>>> anyone - not even to Dale Courtney.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Shirley Ringo
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - - - - -
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For the record, I never said that Shirley Ringo told me she was
>>> n’t
>>>>>> running. I said that it was a rumor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I’ve heard rumors to the effect that Shirley Ringo is not going
>>> to
>>>>>> run
>>>>>> again because of health reasons. But that Judy Brown will file
>>> at the
>>>>>> last minute to take her seat. That will keep the Republicans from
>>>>>> putting anyone up to challenge    Brown.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The rumor will be nixed when she actually files.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We here at the Vizz are looking forward to your retraction, dale.
>>>>>> Although, judging by your "track record", it isn't anticipated,
>>> since
>>>>>> rumor has it that you are an immature weasel whose word is no
>>> better
>>>>>> than
>>>>>> the unsubstantiated garbage that you report in your blahg. But,
>>> then
>>>>>> again, that is only rumor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Seeya round town, Moscow.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tom Hansen
>>>>>> Moscow, Idaho
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects
>>> it to
>>>>>> change
>>>>>> and the Realist adjusts his sails."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Unknown
>>>>>>
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