[Vision2020] Daily News Got It Wrong
Saundra Lund
v2020 at ssl.fastmail.fm
Thu Jan 7 00:28:01 PST 2010
Then I'm sure you'd include the Kirk's organized boycotts of local
businesses - including the Daily News and the Moscow Co-Op - "economic
vandalism," right?
I'm not sure what you'd call virus bombs, nor what you'd call dog sh*t being
smeared on the cars of vocal Kirk critics. Care to come up with terms for
those behaviors? Or, do those things not matter?
Saundra Lund
Moscow, ID
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From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of Darrell Keim
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 7:25 PM
To: keely emerinemix
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com; alford at dnews.com; donovanjarnold2008 at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Daily News Got It Wrong
No, not vandalism. I don't generally credit vandals with the mental
capacity to develop (as you so nicely put it) "an organized campaign, if not
a single-minded one."
I do think the development and promulgation of an anti-kirk business list
VERY nicely fits your excellent phrase.
Perhaps said list could be called economic vandalism.
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 7:17 PM, keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com> wrote:
Darrell, it's true that some community members "took to" not patronizing
Kirk-owned business. I don't think you would call that "vandalism," would
you?
Keely
www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 19:12:01 -0800
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Daily News Got It Wrong
From: keim153 at gmail.com
To: kjajmix1 at msn.com
CC: donovanjarnold2008 at yahoo.com; vision2020 at moscow.com; alford at dnews.com;
deco at moscow.com
Perhaps something along the lines of the "informal" list of Kirk associated
businesses that written and disseminated by some Moscow Food Coop employees?
Bad behavior happened on both philosophical sides of this town issue.
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 7:03 PM, keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com> wrote:
While that's an insightful story, the insight is not shed here.
To suggest that in response to (anything), community members who disagree
with Wilson "took to" vandalism suggests not just a direct link, but an
organized campaign, if not a single-minded one.
Keely
www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 21:36:18 -0800
From: donovanjarnold2008 at yahoo.com
To: vision2020 at moscow.com; alford at dnews.com; deco at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Daily News Got It Wrong
Since it would be a stretch to say that the people that vandalized NSA
members properties were their friends, nor is it likely to say that people
driving through are committing the violations of property rights, it would
seem reasonable to come to the conclusion they were in fact community
members.
There was a sick joke from the deep south in the 1960s. A federal agent
investigating a murder found a black man's body in the swamp riddled with
shot gun blasts from head to toe. When the agent asked the local sheriff how
the man ended up that way, the Sheriff replied, "It was the worst case of
suicide I have ever seen."
This denial that community members do not harass other community members,
reminds me of this story.
The DN isn't playing the politics of the community, it is just reporting the
facts as it believes them to be.
Your Friend,
Donovan Arnold
--- On Wed, 1/6/10, Art Deco <deco at moscow.com> wrote:
From: Art Deco <deco at moscow.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Daily News Got It Wrong
To: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>, "Nathan Alford Daily News"
<alford at dnews.com>
Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 1:06 AM
The article also stated that the community was less hostile to Douglas
Wilson and his church (read cult) in recent years.
I have not found that to be so. In my opinion, the negative feelings toward
Wilson have been voiced less vociferously, but are more wide spread.
Acquaintances who used to twit me about what I express about Wilson and his
agenda, lies, hypocrisy, arrogance, flimflamery, control, etc are now
agreeing.
In addition, Wilson's playing the fool for Christopher Hitchens seems to
have lessened his credibility not only here but among some of importance in
the reformed community.
The DN refers to him as a conservative theologian. What a joke! He is
abysmally ignorant not only of older biblical scholarship, but modern
biblical scholarship as well. He is in reality an untrained, unordained,
lay, but very pushy, very phony preacher making things up from a few pieces
of straw. He is not a theologian, but a crackpot.
And as long as the DN keeps printing the rosy filler articles provided by
Bobby Horrendous of NSA, we all know who is partially controlling the paper.
Wayne A. Fox
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PO Box 9421
Moscow, ID 83843
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From: keely emerinemix
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To: Tom Hansen
<http://us.mc447.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=thansen@moscow.com> ;
vision2020 at moscow.com
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Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Daily News Got It Wrong
Because I've canceled my subscription to the Daily News, and not for the
first time, I didn't read the article Joe refers to.
One of the reasons I don't subscribe to the DN is because its coverage on
many issues involving our town has been lacking, biased, and poorly written
-- all symptomatic of a disregard for simple, classic journalism. I know a
bit about print journalism and reporting, and I can say with some measure of
expertise and experience that its coverage of Wilson, etc., has been
particularly egregious on all three points.
But if the paper suggested that "community members" who oppose Wilson's work
and words vandalized ("took to" vandalizing) Christ Church-owned businesses
and property, without a shred of evidence demonstrating, unequivocally and
with full attribution, three things, it's become more of an affront to print
journalism than usual. Those three things are simple, Journalism 101-type
stuff: Did vandalism actually happen? Did the vandal have any agenda
whatsoever? And was that person linked to others, like myself, who have
publicly spoken out against Wilson?
Answer those questions, with evidence and attribution, and you might be on
to something. But for the DN to toss that out without the building blocks
of true journalism -- accuracy, evidence, attribution, etc. -- is just so
much heaving rocks through the windows, so to speak, of its readership. I
don't expect all readers to notice the fault, but I do expect those who
commit it to acknowledge that they're in the wrong field.
Keely
www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 08:00:38 -0800
> From: thansen at moscow.com
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: [Vision2020] Daily News Got It Wrong
>
> Courtesy of today's (January 5, 2010) Moscow-Pullman Daily News with
> thanks to Joe Campbell.
>
> --------------------------------------------------------
>
> Daily News got it wrong
>
> The paper's account of Moscow's recent history (Jan. 2 & 3) was less than
> fully accurate.
>
> For instance, in discussing Doug Wilson's "Southern Slavery: As it Was,"
> the paper claims "community members took to vandalizing businesses owned
> by people associated with Christ Church and Wilson" due to controversy
> over the book.
>
> There is not one instance where it was discovered that a community member
> vandalized "businesses owned by people associated with Christ Church." The
> only confirmed case of "vandalism" was an offensive comment written in
> chalk on public property in Friendship Square. And no one knows who did
> that. The Daily News account is irresponsible in the same way that it
> would be irresponsible for the Daily News to speculate that members of
> Christ Church vandalized the atheist billboard on U.S. Highway 95.
>
> Also, the controversy about Wilson's book was not merely ideological. Some
> of the controversy was because the book was plagiarized.
>
> Lastly, the paper writes that NSA "had been on South Main Street since
> 2002, but changes to city law required the school - and other educational
> institutions - to obtain a conditional use permit to operate in the
> downtown business district."
>
> But if you look at the law in question, the change was made "to allow
> schools, commercial schools and/or educational institutions by conditional
> use permit in certain commercial and special zoning districts."
>
> NSA began in a residential neighborhood, in violation of the city zoning
> code. It was duly and clearly informed of its violation. It moved
> downtown, first to one location near Main Street and then to its current
> location. Each time its new location violated city code and each time NSA
> was duly informed. The change in law allowed NSA to remain downtown,
> contrary to the city code. It was not a burden but a gift from the city to
> NSA.
>
> Joseph Keim Campbell
> Moscow
>
> --------------------------------------------------------
>
> Thanks, Joe.
>
> Seeya round town, Moscow.
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "I'll just speak for our church, in Christ Church. If I found out that a
> member of our church or a church officer was lying to non-believers in the
> community, as a way to get by or protect themself or protect his
> reputation, yes, he'd be disciplined."
>
> - Doug Wilson (January 31, 2007)
> http://www.tomandrodna.com/protest/Doug_Wilson_Liers_013107.mp3
>
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