[Vision2020] Facebook; The death of Vision 2020?

Sun Aug 15 14:00:28 PDT 2010

I'm still unclear as to what the point of V2020 is.  I may be the only
person here under 30 and I only found out about this place through word of
mouth because I specifically asked a politically connected local individual
if there are any local blogs or message boards.  I don't think I would have
found it otherwise (I did searches for local moscow politics and V2020 does
not come up).  But I can't weigh in at all on this topic because I don't
know what the goal of V2020 is.  Is it to grow the community?  To be a media
platform?  To spur people to action?  To be a discussion platform until it
dies out b/c noone knows about it and noone wants to use this ancient
messaging platform?

It just sucks, b/c I see major potential here and it seems like some of that
potential might be being wasted.  But, again, it all just depends on what
the goal of this place is.

-Reggie

On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Donovan Arnold <
donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Sue,
>
> I think we all have someone like that in our family : )
>
> People often don't realize what they are missing without taking advantage
> of new technologies.
>
> I think Vision 2020 is going the same way as the post letter. It is sad too
> because V2020 can be a great media if it would change to a modern format.
>
> Donovan Arnold
>
>
>
> --- On *Sun, 8/15/10, Sue Hovey <suehovey at moscow.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Sue Hovey <suehovey at moscow.com>
>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Facebook; The death of Vision 2020?
> To: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>, donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com,
> vision2020 at moscow.com
>
> Cc: webmaster at fsr.com, services at fsr.com, techsupport at fsr.com
> Date: Sunday, August 15, 2010, 1:07 PM
>
>  I, too, have a Facebook page and I almost never go on it.  I should, I
> know, but it's just easier for me to get my email and read what I want to
> and delete what I don't.  I do realize Donovan is certainly correct in his
> conjecture that younger folks may well find the Viz antiquated and want
> something new.  I actually have some sense of that feeling, as my husband
> won't even consider email so I'm always having to print things he might want
> to read, and as they are printing, I'm thinking, "Damnit, Norman if you
> would move just a tiny bit into the 20th Century...nevermind the 21st."
>
> Sue H
>
>  *From:* keely emerinemix<http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kjajmix1@msn.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 14, 2010 7:44 PM
> *To:* donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com<http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com>;
> vision2020 at moscow.com<http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vision2020@moscow.com>
> *Cc:* webmaster at fsr.com<http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=webmaster@fsr.com>;
> services at fsr.com<http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=services@fsr.com>;
> techsupport at fsr.com<http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=techsupport@fsr.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Facebook; The death of Vision 2020?
>
> I'm on vacation and haven't bothered to read all of the other posts
> regarding the supposed ease of Facebook over that of Vision 2020, but I have
> a couple of thoughts:
>
> One, the people at First Step have been remarkably generous in providing
> the I-don't-know-what-to-call-it technology that enables us to have a
> "Vision 2020," and no discussion of its future should take place without
> acknowledging the debt all of us who have been active on this forum owe to
> First Step.  I've made some precious friends on this  forum, and quite a few
> enemies, but I can't imagine my last several years in Moscow without Vision
> 2020.
>
> Two, I'm one of those dinosaurs who has a Facebook page with nothing on it
> because it seems like an unnecessarily complicated mode of conversing, and
> because I prefer, still, to talk one-on-one with people via email.  Even the
> group emails I send, I send to people with whom I'd be sitting around having
> a beer if they all lived in Moscow.  And I realize I'm in the minority here;
> Facebook certainly has taken off and done quite well without me.  I am not
> at all interested in what I see as the "instant intimacy," or at least the
> indiscriminate intimacy, of Facebook or MySpace.  I'm blessed to have a
> great many acquaintances, a lot of pals, a few friends, and just a handful
> of intimates -- those people with whom I discuss, and from whom I hear,
> things that by their precious nature aren't something I or they want to
> plaster across a constantly-changing electronic billboard like Facebook.  I
> understand I'm not in the cultural mainstream here, but my Luddite
> tendencies suit me well.
>
> Three, I think there are others like me who want to continue discussing the
> things we all discuss on Vision without revealing much more of ourselves
> than the content of our posts.  Maybe I just don't get it -- gee, could it
> be? -- but I want my participation on Vision 2020 to reveal nothing about me
> other than what I have to say on a given subject.  I don't have the time,
> energy, or inclination to wade through the "I just ate some yogurt," "OMG,
> did you see Hell's Kitchen last night?" and "My Favorite 25 Punk Songs"
> musings of other people, and (except for the 25 punk songs) I can't imagine
> anyone would want to go through mine -- unless they were close friends, in
> which case they'd either already know, or they'd get an email, phone call,
> or letter from me.  The advantage of Vision is, to me, its existence as a
> stand-alone feature/forum that pretty much means "When you're in, you're in
> for this, nothing else"   --  No offers to extend body parts I don't have,
> no garbage from people who think the supreme expression of my devotion to
> God is to hit "Send" to 10 other people, and no emails from friends who have
> no idea what to think about Highway 12 because they live in Virginia.  It's
> Vision 2020, all about Vision 2020, all the time.  I like that.
>
> Now I'll read the other posts, or not, and do so knowing that I've
> confirmed my status as someone as overwhelmed by technology as Doug Wilson
> would be by a gaggle of ordained women Reformed intellectuals at a
> conference on female Pentecostal history.  Yeah, that bad.
>
> Keely
> www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 10:31:18 -0700
> From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> CC: webmaster at fsr.com; services at fsr.com; techsupport at fsr.com
> Subject: [Vision2020] Facebook; The death of Vision 2020?
>
>   I believe, that Vision 2020, that hasn't changed its low-tech
> format since 1994, which is both annoying and unnecessarily inconvenient to
> use by its subscribers, will be replaced by another Internet company or
> reputable company or organization that establishes such a forum on Facebook
> or similar network.
>
> Sure, anyone could establish a Palouse Forum, but people would be more
> likely to join a forum created by First Step Internet that uses the same
> name.
>
> Image a Vision 2020 that took only moments to skim through instead of
> opening and closing each email, or getting one at the end of the day after
> the conversation is over. You could post links, images, and information much
> more quickly. And perhaps the best things of all would be that people could
> not use your name in postings or false names to launch personal attacks
> against members of the community.
>
> A Facebook account would be more meaningful and helpful to a community that
> wished to grow and be productive with its online networking. It would
> also be of better service to facilitate the purpose and mission of Vision
> 2020.
>
> Vision 2020 will eventually be replaced, the question is how it will be
> replaced, and by what entity. I hope it is still First Step Internet. But I
> don't see it making any moves to save Vision 2020 and keep ownership of its
> own idea of an uncensored soap box forum to facilitate change in the Palouse
> Community.
>
> Donovan Arnold
>
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