[Vision2020] Say What?

Garrett Clevenger garrettmc at verizon.net
Thu Apr 8 18:26:06 PDT 2010


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gclev


Apr 8, 2010 04:56:23 PM, lockshop at pull.twcbc.com wrote:

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 Come on Roger, face up to the fact that to the lefty's, everything that's 
>
>good and proper in the world is theirs and conservatives are the owners of 
>all things evil.
>
>Sunshine
>rainbows
>tolerence (please ignore Robert Byrd and the KKK)
>unicorns
>fresh air
>candy canes
>
>All left wing inventions. Conversely,
>
>Toxic waste
>hurricanes
>earthquakes
>darkness
>disease
>big ickey bugs
>
>All ours I'm afraid.
>
>g
>
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Saundra Lund" 
>To: "'lfalen'" ; "'Tom 
>Hansen'" ; 
>"'Garrett Clevenger'" 
>Cc: "'Moscow Vision 2020'" 
>Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 4:21 PM
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?
>
>
>> Roger,
>>
>> As I said, ***read the primary source material*** referenced in the 
>> bibliography -- I have.  I'm not asking you to accept Wikipedia's 
>word for 
>> it but rather the expert words of the experts cited.
>>
>> Again, the definitions you keep repeating ABSOLUTELY DO NOT support your 
>
>> assertion that Nazism is on the left.  The reality is that it is generally 
>
>> accepted by expert scholars that Nazism is on the ***far*** right.  If 
>you 
>> want to argue that, have at it, but you're going to have to have an 
>
>> approach other than sticking your fingers in your ears and repeatedly 
>> announcing, "BECAUSE I SAID SO!!!"
>>
>> My political science husband has suggested trying this un-academic 
>> approach with you since reason is failing to make it through your 
>> misunderstanding.  Question:  why, Roger, do you suppose around the world 
>
>> it's FAR RIGHT POLITICIANS -- and not leftist ones --  who have to 
>
>> denounce Nazism and any connection to Nazism???
>>
>> Answer:  IT'S BECAUES NAZISM IS ON THE FAR RIGHT!!!!
>>
>> Sheesh!
>>
>>
>>
>> Saundra Lund
>> Moscow, ID
>>
>> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to 
>do 
>> nothing.
>> ~ Edmund Burke
>>
>> ***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2010 through life 
>
>> plus 70 years, Saundra Lund.  Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce 
>
>> outside the Vision 2020 forum without the express written permission of 
>
>> the author.*****
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: lfalen [mailto:lfalen at turbonet.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 12:37 PM
>> To: Saundra Lund; 'Tom Hansen'; 'Garrett Clevenger'
>> Cc: 'Moscow Vision 2020'
>> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Say What?
>>
>> Saundra
>> Wikipedia is notorious for being inaccurate. Anyone can post to it. Try 
>
>> Merriam-Webster. My source is Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary, 
>
>> copyright 1997, page 767.  Nazism- The body and economic doctrines held 
>
>> and put into effect by the National Socialist German Workers Party in the 
>
>> Third Reich including the totalitarian principle of government, state 
>> control of all industry, predominance of groups assumed to be racially 
>
>> superior, and or the supremacy of the fuhrer.
>> Roger
>> -----Original message-----
>> From: "Saundra Lund" v2020 at ssl.fastmail.fm
>> Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2010 11:46:09 -0700
>> To: "'lfalen'" lfalen at turbonet.com, "'Tom Hansen'" 
>thansen at moscow.com, 
>> "'Garrett Clevenger'" garrettmc at verizon.net
>> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Say What?
>>
>>> Hi Roger,
>>>
>>> First, we're enjoying the pheasants, too -- I'm thinking their 
>temporary
>>> disappearance was the effect of a brutal winter and wet spring with 
>their
>>> associated high rates of mortality.  I'm glad you're enjoying 
>the 
>>> pheasants
>>> and quail as much as we are!
>>>
>>> Second, I give up on you.  No one is arguing with the Merriam-Webster
>>> definitions but rather with your extrapolations from those definitions 
>--
>>> that's where you are dead wrong.  Period.
>>>
>>> "Nazism (Nationalsozialismus, National Socialism) was the ideology 
>and
>>> practice of the Nazi Party and of Nazi Germany.[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8] 
>
>>> It
>>> was a unique variety of fascism that involved biological racism and
>>> anti-Semitism.[9] Nazism presented itself as politically syncretic,
>>> incorporating policies, tactics and philosophies from right- and 
>>> left-wing
>>> ideologies; in practice, Nazism was a far right form of politics.[10]."
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism
>>>
>>> Read the primary source materials provided in the bibliography, and 
>then 
>>> let
>>> us know you Get It.  Or at least provide an intelligent rebuttal of 
>the
>>> position of the credible scholars that Nazism is ***far*** right rather 
>
>>> than
>>> just repeating your personal and erroneous opinion.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Saundra Lund
>>> Moscow, ID
>>>
>>> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people 
>to do
>>> nothing.
>>> ~ Edmund Burke
>>>
>>> ***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2010 through 
>life 
>>> plus
>>> 70 years, Saundra Lund.  Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce 
>
>>> outside
>>> the Vision 2020 forum without the express written permission of the
>>> author.*****
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com 
>>> [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
>>> On Behalf Of lfalen
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 11:35 AM
>>> To: Tom Hansen; Garrett Clevenger
>>> Cc: Moscow Vision 2020
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?
>>>
>>> I give up on you guys. These were not my definitions that I sent Wayne
>>> Price, they are from Merriam-Webster. If you do not believe me, check 
>
>>> your
>>> dictionary. If you want to rewrite the dictionary, maybe you should 
>go 
>>> join
>>> the Flat Earth Society.
>>> As for being on the left. The left wing in the 20's embraced both 
>Hitler 
>>> and
>>> Mussolini up untill the World War II started. They also originated 
>
>>> Eugenics.
>>> Hitler picked it from them. Both Margaret Sanger and Oliver Wendell 
>Homes
>>> supported Eugenics. If you want verification Tom, look it up on Google. 
>
>>> It
>>> is easy to find.
>>> Roger
>>>
>>> Note to Saundra- In a post of yours a couple of years ago, you asked 
>
>>> where
>>> have all the pheasants gone. They are back in my yard and pasture. 
>I 
>>> enjoy
>>> watching them and the quail.
>>> -----Original message-----
>>> From: "Tom Hansen" thansen at moscow.com
>>> Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2010 13:17:46 -0700
>>> To: "Garrett Clevenger" garrettmc at verizon.net
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?
>>>
>>> > Exactly.
>>> >
>>> > What was your first clue, Roger, that the Nazis were/are far left?
>>> >
>>> > Their systematic execution of homosexuals?
>>> >
>>> > The elimination of individual rights?
>>> >
>>> > Or simply their attempt to destroy democracy?
>>> >
>>> > Tom Hansen
>>> > Moscow, Idaho
>>> >
>>> > >
>>> > > Roger writes:
>>> > >
>>> > > "It is convenient for the left to place them on the 
>right. this makes 
>>> > > it
>>> > > easier for them to demonise the right and marginalize them 
>by
>>> > > association."
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Er, isn't this what Roger just did by saying "The 
>Nazis are on the
>>> left."?
>>> > >
>>> > > I'll continue his quote to make his nazi one more realisitic.
>>> > >
>>> > > "They ...  may want freedom for themselves, but not 
>for others. This
>>> does
>>> > > not place them on the {left}, who wants freedom for everyone. 
>{nazis}
>>> > > basically are kooks and cannot be categorized as being left 
>or 
>>> > > right."
>>> > >
>>> > > So Roger is part right, even if he is or isn't "on 
>the right."
>>> > >
>>> > > Garrett
>>> > >
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>>> > "The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects 
>it to 
>>> > change
>>> > and the Realist adjusts his sails."
>>> >
>>> > - Unknown
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