[Vision2020] Say What?

[lfalen]

You, Saundra, Garrett and Tom should all check with the dictionary. The Nazis were on the left by definition, meaning they were for governnment control. White Suprimist in the US are a different matter. They may not even have a political ideology. Some may want freedom for themselves, but not for others. This does not place them on the right, who wants freedom for everyone. They basically are kooks and cannot be categorized as being left or right. It is convenient for the left to place them on the right. this makes it easier for them to demonise the right and marginalize them by association. Saul Aulinsky again. Social Darwinism aside, evolution is a matter science and should have noting to do with political or religious ideology.
Roger
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From: keely emerinemix kjajmix1 at msn.com
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2010 01:37:28 -0700
To: v2020 at ssl.fastmail.fm,  lfalen at turbonet.com,  Chris Pricebear at moscow.com
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Say What?

> 
> Saundra is right, and Roger is wrong.  I only hope that in continuing, however absurdly, to insist that the Nazis were "on the left," he's not mistakenly conflating the Third Reich's "social Darwinism" and "socialism" with, say, Darwin-as-anti-Biblical-creationist and "socialism" as any attempt to establish a genuine social safety net for the poor, however limited.  Words and labels are often dead wrong when applied out of context -- especially the ones that are today incendiary.
> 
> After all, "Darwinism" and "evolution" are, to the Right, ugly liberal ideas.  Ditto for the "socialism" of idealistic, maybe even scruffy, college kids who flirt with the Socialist 
> Workers' Party and dream of living on communes, co-ops, and 
> collectives.  That's not how the Nazis used those terms.  Far from it.  But I've seen some conservatives make the mistake of borrowing words from the Nazis' own 25-point political ideology and latching on to the ones that sound "liberal."  I'd like to think that Roger isn't one of them, but I'm losing hope.
> 
> And yes, Roger, I'll accept my National Review subscription, although, darn it,  I really wanted a pony . . . 
> 
> Keely
> www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > From: v2020 at ssl.fastmail.fm
> > To: lfalen at turbonet.com; kjajmix1 at msn.com; bear at moscow.com
> > CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Say What?
> > Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 17:14:30 -0700
> > 
> > Roger,
> > 
> > You wrote:
> > "The Nazis are on the left."
> > 
> > Come one, now -- as informed as you claim to be, you simply cannot expect us to accept such a ridiculous statement from you.  You can't post definitions (sans quotation marks, BTW) and then expect us to accept your definition of the definitions  This kind of flatly irresponsible statement reminds me of your Bushian/Cheneyian/Rovian claim that waterboarding isn't torture.  <snort>
> > 
> > I suggest you check this out to see the grave error in your thinking:
> > http://www.politicalcompass.org/analysis2
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > HTH,
> > Saundra Lund
> > Moscow, ID
> > 
> > My doctrine is this:  that if we see cruelty or wrong that we have the power to stop, and we do nothing, we make ourselves sharers of the guilt.
> > ~ Anna Sewell
> > 
> > 
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