[Vision2020] Say What?

lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
Tue Apr 6 12:33:10 PDT 2010 

Tom
My computer is old, slow and overloaded and youtube does not work, therefore I am unable to view your examples. On the face of it I would say that no. 2 is suspect. The media is more than happy to show anything negative about the Tea Party.
Roger
-----Original message-----
From: "Tom Hansen" thansen at moscow.com
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2010 12:23:45 -0700
To: "lfalen" lfalen at turbonet.com
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Say What?

> Confederate Flag at Tea Party
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LMmx-znVZc
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> TEA PARTY RACISM: What The Media Won't Show You About Teabagger Racism
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S38VioxnBaI
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> RAIM Confronts Tea Party Racists
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwDpUcHU-9I
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> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
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> > The Nazis are on the left. See the dictionary definition I sent to Wayne
> > Price yesterday. You are correct you take on the left is shared by other
> > observers. this is because the mainstream media and people such and
> > Maddow, Olbermann and Mathews keep saying it. without providing evidence.
> > Document several cases where the tea Party is racist. It takes more than
> > one to establish a precedence. The various Tea Paries held a Continential
> > Congress in 2009. They produced a document called the "Articles of
> > Freedom". Itis 109 pages.  You can find it at "articlesoffreedon.com". You
> > will undoubtedly disagree with it, but you will not find anything racist
> > in. The Tea Parties have been very complementary to Martin Luthur King and
> > his "I have a dream speech." The members of Tea Party gatherings have been
> > advised to not engage anti-tea party protester. There has been violence by
> > these anti-tea party protesters. Andrew Breitbart's bus was egged among
> > other things.
> > I think it is fair to say that we disagree on the role of government. But
> > with a little research and documentation I think that you will find that
> > there as a lot more violence on the left.
> > Your subscription to National Review will be forthcoming.
> > Roger
> > -----Original message-----
> > From: keely emerinemix kjajmix1 at msn.com
> > Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2010 13:23:33 -0700
> > To: lfalen at turbonet.com,  Chris Price bear at moscow.com
> > Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Say What?
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> >> Lots to cover here . . .
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> >> First, you were simply wrong in stating that the Nazis were "on the
> >> left."  Second, my take on the motivation of the Tea Party movement is,
> >> I believe, not only shared by other observers but also born out by
> >> facts.  Third, I don't watch MSNBC, and I so I don't rely on Olbermann,
> >> et al, to educate me.
> >>
> >> Surely you see that in this day and age, the threat and realization of
> >> political violence comes much more from the right than the left.  That
> >> doesn't mean that every person who aligns themselves with the politics
> >> of the Tea Partyers is a violent, bigoted wing nut.  I don't believe,
> >> for example, that you're a violent, bigoted wing nut.  However, those
> >> who are appear to feel comfortable within and alongside the Tea Party
> >> people, and that ought to give you pause.
> >>
> >> I appreciate that you think I'm "better than this," of course -- but you
> >> say it in the context of my supposed slander.  I've not said anything
> >> slanderous/libelous.  I've said things that are critical.  And while I
> >> believe the record shows that I'm correct, please keep in mind that
> >> these are opinions of mine.  I'm absolutely sure you agree with my right
> >> to hold them.  If I am factually wrong, along the lines of "the Nazis
> >> were on the left," then please tell me where.  And if I am factually
> >> wrong with malice aforethought as I'm naming a single person, then you
> >> can accuse me, and accuse me accurately, of slander or libel.  Until
> >> then, isn't it fair to say that we disagree on the makeup, motivation,
> >> and behavior of the Tea Party -- and let it stand at that?
> >>
> >> Finally, I would accept a subscription to one of the magazines you
> >> recommend, and I promise to read them if you do send me a subscription.
> >> My mailing address is 676 W. Pullman Road, Box 302, Moscow.  You're
> >> under no obligation, of course, but if you think it would help me "see
> >> the light," then feel free to shine it my way.
> >>
> >> Keely
> >> www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
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> >> > Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 12:32:24 -0700
> >> > From: lfalen at turbonet.com
> >> > To: kjajmix1 at msn.com; bear at moscow.com
> >> > CC: thansen at moscow.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
> >> > Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Say What?
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> >> > Keely
> >> > On your first paragraph see my reply to Wayne. I will acknowledge that
> >> some Socialist governments are peaceful, but most down through history
> >> have not been. In any case they place government over people not the
> >> other way around.
> >> > You completely misrepresent the Tea Patry. They are not primarily
> >> energized by hatred of the president. You should broaden your source
> >> of information . Instead of relying on Maddow, Mathews, Olbermann and
> >> the Huffington Post, I would recommend National Review or The Weekly
> >> Standard. If you would promise to read it, I would spring for the
> >> subscription. The last three meeting of The Palouse Liberty Project
> >> has been devoted to Austrian Economics. Nothing has been said about
> >> the President. They are opposed to large controlling government.
> >> Personalities or race has nothing to do with it. This is straight out
> >> of Saul Aulinsky" Rules for Radicals. Separate, demonise, Marginalize.
> >> You should get you facts straight before you slander people. I know
> >> that you are better than this.
> >> > 's-----Original message-----
> >> > From: keely emerinemix kjajmix1 at msn.com
> >> > Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 16:05:02 -0700
> >> > To: lfalen at turbonet.com,  Chris Price bear at moscow.com
> >> > Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Say What?
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > > To suggest that the Nazis were "on the left, not the right" is to
> >> confusion "National Socialism," the fascist party politics and
> >> hideous sociopolitical agenda of the Nazis, with "socialism," which
> >> in this world is generally expressed through egalitarian, peaceful
> >> social policies such as we see in the democratic socialist
> >> Scandinavian countries.  To jump to the conclusion that Nazis,
> >> however fascist, were "leftists" because their political party
> >> included the word "socialism" is naive to the point of
> >> incomprehensibility.
> >> > >
> >> > > Please tell me how you can argue, Roger, that the Nazis were "on the
> >> left."  I'd also like to hear how a political movement -- the Tea
> >> Party -- primarily energized by a hatred of the President, not
> >> simply disdain for his policies, can legitimately claim to be
> >> "painted with a broad brush"  when others point out not only its
> >> raison d'etre, but legitimate examples of the bad behavior springing
> >> from it.
> >> > >
> >> > > There are numerous conservative political organizations that have
> >> advocated for right-of-center politics without encouraging and
> >> attracting bigots, racists, nativists, and extremists of every
> >> right-wing sort.  They're not held in contempt by thinking people
> >> because they don't behave contemptibly, nor are their movements
> >> anything other than thoughtful attempts by people I happen to
> >> disagree with on most things to educate and agitate, reasonably, for
> >> their political agenda.   When the Tea Partyers decide to work for
> >> political change and not for the destruction of the President, his
> >> presidency, and the entire political process, the brush they're
> >> painted with may be one of "simply conservative" and not one of
> >> "rabidly given over to the worst tendencies of bigots."
> >> > >
> >> > > Keely
> >> > > www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
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> >> > >
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> >> > > > Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 12:49:01 -0700
> >> > > > From: lfalen at turbonet.com
> >> > > > To: bear at moscow.com
> >> > > > CC: kjajmix1 at msn.com; thansen at moscow.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
> >> > > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Here is the broad brush again. Incidently the Nazi's were on the
> >> left not the right.
> >> > > > Roger
> >> > > > -----Original message-----
> >> > > > From: Wayne Price bear at moscow.com
> >> > > > Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 12:29:49 -0700
> >> > > > To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
> >> > > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > "They are like every other movement."   I'm sure there were good
> >> > > > > Nazi's too!
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> >> > > > > On Mar 30, 2010, at 12:07 PM, lfalen wrote:
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> >> > > > > > They are like every other movement.
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