[Vision2020] Say What?

Tue Apr 6 12:23:45 PDT 2010

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Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho


> The Nazis are on the left. See the dictionary definition I sent to Wayne
> Price yesterday. You are correct you take on the left is shared by other
> observers. this is because the mainstream media and people such and
> Maddow, Olbermann and Mathews keep saying it. without providing evidence.
> Document several cases where the tea Party is racist. It takes more than
> one to establish a precedence. The various Tea Paries held a Continential
> Congress in 2009. They produced a document called the "Articles of
> Freedom". Itis 109 pages.  You can find it at "articlesoffreedon.com". You
> will undoubtedly disagree with it, but you will not find anything racist
> in. The Tea Parties have been very complementary to Martin Luthur King and
> his "I have a dream speech." The members of Tea Party gatherings have been
> advised to not engage anti-tea party protester. There has been violence by
> these anti-tea party protesters. Andrew Breitbart's bus was egged among
> other things.
> I think it is fair to say that we disagree on the role of government. But
> with a little research and documentation I think that you will find that
> there as a lot more violence on the left.
> Your subscription to National Review will be forthcoming.
> Roger
> -----Original message-----
> From: keely emerinemix kjajmix1 at msn.com
> Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2010 13:23:33 -0700
> To: lfalen at turbonet.com,  Chris Price bear at moscow.com
> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Say What?
>
>>
>> Lots to cover here . . .
>>
>> First, you were simply wrong in stating that the Nazis were "on the
>> left."  Second, my take on the motivation of the Tea Party movement is,
>> I believe, not only shared by other observers but also born out by
>> facts.  Third, I don't watch MSNBC, and I so I don't rely on Olbermann,
>> et al, to educate me.
>>
>> Surely you see that in this day and age, the threat and realization of
>> political violence comes much more from the right than the left.  That
>> doesn't mean that every person who aligns themselves with the politics
>> of the Tea Partyers is a violent, bigoted wing nut.  I don't believe,
>> for example, that you're a violent, bigoted wing nut.  However, those
>> who are appear to feel comfortable within and alongside the Tea Party
>> people, and that ought to give you pause.
>>
>> I appreciate that you think I'm "better than this," of course -- but you
>> say it in the context of my supposed slander.  I've not said anything
>> slanderous/libelous.  I've said things that are critical.  And while I
>> believe the record shows that I'm correct, please keep in mind that
>> these are opinions of mine.  I'm absolutely sure you agree with my right
>> to hold them.  If I am factually wrong, along the lines of "the Nazis
>> were on the left," then please tell me where.  And if I am factually
>> wrong with malice aforethought as I'm naming a single person, then you
>> can accuse me, and accuse me accurately, of slander or libel.  Until
>> then, isn't it fair to say that we disagree on the makeup, motivation,
>> and behavior of the Tea Party -- and let it stand at that?
>>
>> Finally, I would accept a subscription to one of the magazines you
>> recommend, and I promise to read them if you do send me a subscription.
>> My mailing address is 676 W. Pullman Road, Box 302, Moscow.  You're
>> under no obligation, of course, but if you think it would help me "see
>> the light," then feel free to shine it my way.
>>
>> Keely
>> www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 12:32:24 -0700
>> > From: lfalen at turbonet.com
>> > To: kjajmix1 at msn.com; bear at moscow.com
>> > CC: thansen at moscow.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
>> > Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Say What?
>> >
>> > Keely
>> > On your first paragraph see my reply to Wayne. I will acknowledge that
>> some Socialist governments are peaceful, but most down through history
>> have not been. In any case they place government over people not the
>> other way around.
>> > You completely misrepresent the Tea Patry. They are not primarily
>> energized by hatred of the president. You should broaden your source
>> of information . Instead of relying on Maddow, Mathews, Olbermann and
>> the Huffington Post, I would recommend National Review or The Weekly
>> Standard. If you would promise to read it, I would spring for the
>> subscription. The last three meeting of The Palouse Liberty Project
>> has been devoted to Austrian Economics. Nothing has been said about
>> the President. They are opposed to large controlling government.
>> Personalities or race has nothing to do with it. This is straight out
>> of Saul Aulinsky" Rules for Radicals. Separate, demonise, Marginalize.
>> You should get you facts straight before you slander people. I know
>> that you are better than this.
>> > 's-----Original message-----
>> > From: keely emerinemix kjajmix1 at msn.com
>> > Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 16:05:02 -0700
>> > To: lfalen at turbonet.com,  Chris Price bear at moscow.com
>> > Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Say What?
>> >
>> > >
>> > > To suggest that the Nazis were "on the left, not the right" is to
>> confusion "National Socialism," the fascist party politics and
>> hideous sociopolitical agenda of the Nazis, with "socialism," which
>> in this world is generally expressed through egalitarian, peaceful
>> social policies such as we see in the democratic socialist
>> Scandinavian countries.  To jump to the conclusion that Nazis,
>> however fascist, were "leftists" because their political party
>> included the word "socialism" is naive to the point of
>> incomprehensibility.
>> > >
>> > > Please tell me how you can argue, Roger, that the Nazis were "on the
>> left."  I'd also like to hear how a political movement -- the Tea
>> Party -- primarily energized by a hatred of the President, not
>> simply disdain for his policies, can legitimately claim to be
>> "painted with a broad brush"  when others point out not only its
>> raison d'etre, but legitimate examples of the bad behavior springing
>> from it.
>> > >
>> > > There are numerous conservative political organizations that have
>> advocated for right-of-center politics without encouraging and
>> attracting bigots, racists, nativists, and extremists of every
>> right-wing sort.  They're not held in contempt by thinking people
>> because they don't behave contemptibly, nor are their movements
>> anything other than thoughtful attempts by people I happen to
>> disagree with on most things to educate and agitate, reasonably, for
>> their political agenda.   When the Tea Partyers decide to work for
>> political change and not for the destruction of the President, his
>> presidency, and the entire political process, the brush they're
>> painted with may be one of "simply conservative" and not one of
>> "rabidly given over to the worst tendencies of bigots."
>> > >
>> > > Keely
>> > > www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 12:49:01 -0700
>> > > > From: lfalen at turbonet.com
>> > > > To: bear at moscow.com
>> > > > CC: kjajmix1 at msn.com; thansen at moscow.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
>> > > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?
>> > > >
>> > > > Here is the broad brush again. Incidently the Nazi's were on the
>> left not the right.
>> > > > Roger
>> > > > -----Original message-----
>> > > > From: Wayne Price bear at moscow.com
>> > > > Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 12:29:49 -0700
>> > > > To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
>> > > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?
>> > > >
>> > > > > "They are like every other movement."   I'm sure there were good
>> > > > > Nazi's too!
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On Mar 30, 2010, at 12:07 PM, lfalen wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > They are like every other movement.
>> > > > >
>> > >
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