[Vision2020] NYTimes: The Uneducated American

Tue Oct 13 07:44:43 PDT 2009

According to Salary.com :
http://www.payscale.com/research/US/All_K-12_Teachers/Salary/by_Years_Experience

The median salary for a teacher with one year experience is less than $34,000, nationally. 

The median income for a teacher with a Masters in Education and 20+ years of education is still well below that of the $60K a year.

Compare this salary to other areas  with a Masters and 20 years experience. Also consider the importance and difficulty of their work. 

Salaries should be directly voted on by the public and have higher state mandated minimums. If communities could vote to increase salaries, like Joe Campbell stated, it would increase the quality and quantity of teachers to select from. 

Donovan Arnold

--- On Mon, 10/12/09, Glenn Schwaller <vpschwaller at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Glenn Schwaller <vpschwaller at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] NYTimes: The Uneducated American
To: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 11:32 PM

Average salary for a K -12 teacher in the US is around 51K.  Average salary for a university football coach is around 250K.  And I think I'm being conservative.  

Of course what could possibly be more important than football . . .

GS

On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 3:30 PM, Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2008 at yahoo.com> wrote:

What I want to know is, how can we spend so much on education but teachers get so little in compensation for the work that they do?

I would think a teacher would be paid at least $36,000 a year, to start, and make up to $60,000 as a base pay for teachers. It doesn't seem to work that way.

I wish we could pass an Idaho State Initiative that would take a percentage of the property tax and give it to teachers compensation. 

I don't think Principals or Superintendents should be paid any more than the highest 10% of teachers. Not that they don't work hard, but that teachers have the hardest and most important jobs one can have.

It makes most sense to me, that we the people, be able to give taxes to teachers directly, rather than it being spend on something less important..

I feel a good teacher, and an engaged student body, can provide better education than all the fancy buildings and facilities can provide. 

Donovan Arnold

--- On Mon, 10/12/09, keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com> wrote:

From: keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com> 

Subject: Re: [Vision2020] NYTimes: The Uneducated American
To: vpschwaller at gmail.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 9:48 PM 

Well, I'm thrilled.  The public school system always needs more supporters -- bright, caring, insightful men such as yourself.  

Keely
www.keely-prevailingwinds.com

> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:41:26 -0700
> From: vpschwaller at gmail.com
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] NYTimes: The Uneducated American
> 
> Sorry to disappoint the both of you - I have nothing to do in any way,
> shape, or form with any Moscow anti-public education individual,
> famous or infamous, Christian or catholic, Libertarian or Republican.
> 
> I'd almost apologize to whomever this individual is, but I suspect he
> finds it funny as hell.
> 
> GS
> 
> On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 3:35 PM, keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com> wrote:
> > I can't speak for Andreas, obviously, but I think his question stemmed from
> > a belief that you might not really be a guy named "Glenn Schwaller," and
> > that you might, instead, be one of Moscow's famous anti-public education
> > Christian Libertarians.
> >
> > I can speak for myself, however, in declaring that Andreas, if I've
> > represented him correctly, might just be on to something.
> >
> > Keely
> > www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 15:53:44 -0700
> >> From: vpschwaller at gmail.com
> >> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] NYTimes: The Uneducated American
> >>
> >> Andreas --
> >>
> >> Quit asking silly questions. Of course I do. I have said nothing to
> >> indicate that I don't believe in public education. I aIso believe in
> >> home education - admittedly, perhaps a bit more so. I also believe in
> >> attempting to find out why it (public education) is suffering before
> >> resorting to only throwing money at it.
> >>
> >> If I seem to be obfuscating it's because I AM bewildered. In fact I
> >> think the entire education system in a state of obfuscation since it
> >> is difficult to understand why, in spite of all that has been tried,
> >> it is still failing. Perhaps part of my obfuscation is that I have not
> >> seen anything else in this thread attempting to address the original
> >> issue, with the possible exceptions of HDP Joe (throw money throw
> >> money throw money) and Nick Gier who suggests massive unionization
> >> (which I think means throw money as well . . .) Admittedly the
> >> original tenant of subject was "The Uneducated American - Education in
> >> America, suffering for years, is about to get much worse
> >> thanks to cuts caused by the financial crisis."
> >>
> >> So I guess the answers have been given. Throw money at it. Maybe BHO
> >> can toss a cool mil into the pot.
> >>
> >> Wasted again in obfuscationland
> >>
> >> GS
> >>
> >> On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Andreas Schou <ophite at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Glenn --
> >> >
> >> > Quit obfuscating. Do you believe in the public provision of education at
> >> > all?
> >> >
> >> > -- ACS
> >> >
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