[Vision2020] NYTimes: The Uneducated American

[Donovan Arnold]

Students won't graduate in four years because the University doesn't want them to. It wants them to sit around for an extra two years hoping to get into the pre-requisite course they need two take the classes they need to graduate.
 
If 700 students need to take a course, they offer 250 seats. It isn't by accident. 
 
I got tired of waiting around for the classes I needed for my Masters and quit the University. I wasn't going to wait another year waiting for them to hire someone to teach a class I need to finish my degree and keep forking them over cash to stay in the program.I want my money back, UI. You are fraudulent.
 
They need to turn UI into an Indian Institute of Technology Branch. Offer Vocational Courses, and offer weekend and night courses. This would eliminate all of their financial problems and they would never have a problem with enrollment and wouldn't have to force the kiddies to live on campus and buy $5 sloppy pizza and live in a shared 10X10 dorm room.
 
Your Friend,
 
Donovan Arnold

--- On Sat, 10/10/09, Wayne Price <bear at moscow.com> wrote:


From: Wayne Price <bear at moscow.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] NYTimes: The Uneducated American
To: "Kenneth Marcy" <kmmos1 at verizon.net>
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
Date: Saturday, October 10, 2009, 2:33 AM


The down side of this, IF it can be considered a down side is that  
students might finally get their degrees in four years!  WHAT a concept!


Wayne


On Oct 9, 2009, at 6:40 PM, Kenneth Marcy wrote:

> On Friday 09 October 2009 14:53:23 Wayne Price wrote:
>> I also think we are loosing a great opportunity here on the Palouse  
>> to
>> offer "education" to adult learners by not opening up the  
>> Universities
>> at night. We could very easily put together a night faculty and offer
>> quality education to those that want it at night, and not just in  
>> what
>> are considered "traditional" studies.
>
> First things first. Offering courses in the evening is a good idea,  
> first, for
> the students already enrolled in the University. Evening sections of  
> courses
> already taught in the day time would give more scheduling  
> flexibility for
> students, and allow them better opportunities to work during the day  
> and go
> to school in the evening.
>
> If you doubt the efficacy of this idea, just take a look at the  
> enrollment of
> Bellevue College east of Lake Washington (more than 35,000 per  
> year), or the
> evening class enrollments of that blue-turf outfit somewhere south  
> of here.
> Yes, it must be said right away that both of those organizations  
> have a lot
> more people living in their near proximity than does our local  
> school. That
> does not negate the value of the core idea, however.
>
> And it must be said that evening classes may likely lead to a need  
> for more
> faculty, if only for the very practical reason that not many  
> professors will
> be willing to teach a course at eight in the morning, and another at  
> eight in
> the evening the same day. On the flip side, it may be that offering  
> evening
> classes may be the only way to get some teachers to profess at a  
> podium,
> given they have no desire to give up their day jobs outside the  
> university.
>
>> I myself would love to learn how to weld.
>
> University of Idaho catalog, part six, Agricultural Systems Management
> ASM 107 Beginning Welding (2 cr) -- Principles of operation, use,  
> and care of
> arc and acetylene welding equipment. One lec., one 2-hr. lab, and  
> two hrs of
> individual practice a wk. Enrollment is limited to 12 per section.
>
>> I've already got a doctorate and really don't need another one, but  
>> on the
>> academic side of the house would love to go back for a masters in  
>> history,
>> which I don't have. So, if I want to learn welding, I either have  
>> to travel
>> south to LCSC and get into a "trades" class, or if I want the  
>> Masters in
>> History, I have to enroll in day classes.
>
> I have heard the snooty, snobbish attitude toward classes that are  
> supposed to
> be considered trade school material from University professors in  
> both the
> Business and the Engineering colleges. In both cases the skills  
> disdained to
> be taught were the details of the technical skills and practical  
> professional
> practices used by computer programmers to code and test real  
> programs as
> opposed to idea-illustrating examples for academic classroom uses.
>
> Exactly how this attitude aligns and squares-up with welding classes  
> in the
> Agriculture college I'll leave for you to ponder.
>
>
> Ken
>
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