[Vision2020] Ron English Art/Billboard Protest Documentary

Sun Nov 8 13:22:22 PST 2009

Thanks Ted, 

You are correct and I see where you're coming from with some excellent points.  I hadn't considered your interpretation of his Mickey Mouse Boobs before.  I usually see his use of Disney characters as a statement against corporate conglomerated empires and figured these works were to do with using sex to sell and maybe Disney's association with the porn industry, etc.

At any rate, giving Ron's movie some good props and even announcing where it could be viewed for free and soon (although it's a little out of date from his current paintings being shown in galleries around the world) can only be good for him and those who will stop and be introduced to his work.

Again, thanks for the talk,  I regularly admit that "I know nuttin' 'bout nuttin" so can only go up {;O)

Don

> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 16:51:22 -0800
> From: Ted Moffett <starbliss at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Vision2020] Ron English Art/Billboard Protest Documentary
> Tonight 11 PM: DirectTV 375/Dish 9410
> To: donald edwards <donaledwards at hotmail.com>
> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
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> 
> I was just clarifying that I saw the event (coat hanger outdoor billboard
> protest with nude woman) as it was staged in motion, captured on film/video,
> not from still photos. And again notifying the list that for those who have
> DirectTV or Dish satellite, the Ron English documentary with this
> content will air tonight Saturday at 11 PM on LinkTV:
> 
> http://www.linktv.org/programs/popaganda
> ------------------
> Some of the shocking content of English's work, of course, will lead some to
> reject it completely, before giving it more thought. So perhaps I scared
> some away in mentioning some of the controversial content, without a more
> full exploration of English's work.
> 
> However, for some people, the controversial content will prompt them to
> consider his work. It will increase interest. This is basic Madison Avenue
> advertising psychology, which English employs to get his messages
> across, using the tactics of corporate advertising in opposition, though
> some might claim he is using shock to spread his name and work, for profit.
> Following your suggestion, he might not employ the shocking tactics in the
> first place, to avoid scaring people away from his causes and art...
> 
> Anyone looking at his attacks on "Madison Avenue" advertising campaigns (Joe
> Camel, Ronald McDonald) with a modicum of intelligence will not require that
> I explain the point behind these "outlaw" billboards.
> 
> As for the Marilyn Monroe "Mickey Mouse" breast work, which is not in the
> least pornographic or prurient, I was instantly when I first saw this art
> work reminded of Truman Capote's story about Monroe, "A Beautiful Child,"
> which I recommend highly, though I'm not sure if this Capote story can be
> linked to English's art.
> 
> http://abeautifulchildbytrumancapote.blogspot.com/
> 
> >From website above:
> 
> A BEAUTIFUL CHILD is based on a nonfiction piece by the same name from
> Capote?s collection "Music for Chameleons." In 1955, Capote and Marilyn
> Monroe attended the funeral of Constance Collier, Marilyn's acting coach.
> Afterward, the two friends spent the day together touring the streets of
> Manhattan, from midtown to the South Street Seaport. Capote tells of their
> exploits on that afternoon, presenting a wry, insightful, and very human
> portrait of the actress who at this point in her career had become in his
> words "a platinum sex explosion."
> ---------------
> 
> I suppose it's rather obvious that men (or women) are attracted to women's
> breasts in part because of the nurturing and nutrition they received as
> children from their mothers, and that Mickey Mouse symbolizes childhood? So
> this work of art, in this very surface and simple analysis, explores that
> adults' sexual psychology (Monroe as an archetypal American sex symbol)
> manifests experiences from childhood, in some respects. A psychological
> fact adults may not be consciously aware of, and may find "uncomfortable"...
> 
> Anyway, much could be said about this subject... This is just quick and
> brief speculation, off the top of my head...
> ------------------------------------------
> Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett
> 
> On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 5:18 PM, donald edwards <donaledwards at hotmail.com>wrote:
> 
> > Hi again, I think you might have misunderstood my post. This line would
> > indicate that I am aware that you saw the abortion billboard:
> >
> > "I found it amazing that when the woman flung the fake blood on the
> > blackmarket abortion billboard you referenced it actually resembled the
> > shape of a bleeding heart."
> >
> > It's obvious that YOU are familiar with his work but if WE are working
> > together at compelling others to check him out, those who may be of a more
> > conservative persuasion, I felt it may be more important to share more about
> > his message and symbolism rather than the graphic nature of some of his
> > work.
> >
> > Sometimes in sales, it's best to leave folks wanting more information in an
> > attempt to move them to go looking further rather than scaring them away
> > right out the gate. I attempted to offer more into his meaning rather than
> > make folks think he just does bloody pro abortion and juvenile cartoon mouse
> > boobies. Sharing these visuals may have the opposite effect than you (and I
> > originally) were after.
> >
> > What do you suppose he is trying to convey by painting all those Mouse
> > Boobs?
> >
> > I think we both know that his abortion billboard sends the message that
> > countries that do not allow abortion kill more babies and their mothers
> > than in places where we are allowed the choice. You left this out of your
> > post so I attempted to fill in some blanks. That's all. No biggie.
> >
> > Thanks Keely, I'll look into the artist you mentioned!
> >
> > Don
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > From: vision2020-request at moscow.com
> > > Subject: Vision2020 Digest, Vol 41, Issue 38
> > > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 16:03:54 -0800
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> > > Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 16:03:49 -0800
> > > From: Ted Moffett <starbliss at gmail.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 41, Issue 36
> > > To: donald edwards <donaledwards at hotmail.com>
> > > Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
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> > >
> > > I did see the event with the billboard of the clothes hanger and the
> > women
> > > and "blood" on LinkTV recently when they ran the Ron English documentary
> > > that LinkTV is running again this next Saturday, as my previous post on
> > this
> > > subject indicated.
> > >
> > > Ted Moffett
> > >
> > > On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 3:57 PM, donald edwards <donaledwards at hotmail.com
> > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > Yes, great movie. I believe I might have advertised it on list before.
> > If
> > > > folks here check the link I posted they may feel compelled to surf
> > around
> > > > his site at other billboards and his actual paintings, which are all
> > > > extremely thought provoking in addition to their colorful detail.
> > > >
> > > > He makes a good argument for how religion has not only been
> > commercialized
> > > > but also replaced by corporate commercial icons in modern culture. ie:
> > > > Mickey Mouse, KISS, Joe Camel & even cereal or fast food cartoons at
> > the
> > > > Last Supper. He depicts colorful and graphic art in much the same way
> > that
> > > > marketers for corporations are able to hijack free speech and spoon
> > feed us
> > > > all with their child targetted advertising.
> > > >
> > > > Unfortunately Ted, Some won't look this deep into his message and
> > simply
> > > > turn a blind eye and dismiss him. I purposely didn't go into much
> > detail
> > > > about the specifics of his work so that these people might actually end
> > up
> > > > at his site prior to passing premature judgement about his use of
> > nudity or
> > > > depictions of religion & violence. I found it amazing that when the
> > woman
> > > > flung the fake blood on the blackmarket abortion billboard you
> > referenced it
> > > > actually resembled the shape of a bleeding heart. This would have
> > > > been impossible to fake or stage. See it in real time on the movie
> > > > "Popaganda" you mentioned
> > > >
> > > > Don

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