[Vision2020] vandals strike again (I fixed it for you Donovan)

Sun Nov 8 11:24:40 PST 2009

Debi,

While I can say with confidence that such a billboard would not entice me to vandalize I can see why such a billboard could send some people over that edge. 

There are somethings on a billboard I would take action to remove if I could legally do so. 

My suggestion would be to price match plus 10% the billboard companies to put up my sign instead of their sign. 

Donovan Arnold

--- On Sun, 11/8/09, deb <debismith at moscow.com> wrote:

From: deb <debismith at moscow.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] vandals strike again (I fixed it for you Donovan)
To: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2008 at yahoo.com>, "Garrett Clevenger" <garrettmc at verizon.net>, vision2020 at moscow.com
Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 12:52 PM

The thought is not the deed, Donovan. Wanting to not see something on a billboard is one thing---averting one's eyes generally works. Defacing said object is quite another, and no, I can't imagine myself doing such a thing. There are several religious organizations which annoy the stuff out of me, but I would never deface their bulding or harm their property. They are entitled to believe and follow whatever path they choose.And even though I believe differently than they believe, vandalism is not the way to show that nor to influence others away from them...You are correct in one thing. Of course, being that humans are often less than rational (especially around issues of religion), such behaviour is likely from frightened and/or foolish humans. 
Debi R-S

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Donovan Arnold 
To: Garrett Clevenger ; vision2020 at moscow.com ; deb 
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 11:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] vandals strike again (I fixed it for you Donovan)

Debi, 

Is there nothing on a billboard that could be so offensive to you that you would want to see it vandalized or removed? I find that hard to imagine. 

I can think of lots of things that could be on a billboard to make me want to take it down. If God is important to someone, which He is, it is going to be offensive, and people don't want to be forced to look at highly offensive things every day. 

I'm not saying I would advocate this method of removing the billboard, because I don't. But when they have a huge audience of people and they say something negative and offensive some of them are going to react in a bad way. It is inevitable. 

Donovan Arnold

--- On Sun, 11/8/09, deb <debismith at moscow.com> wrote:

From: deb <debismith at moscow.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] vandals strike again (I fixed it for you Donovan)
To: "Garrett Clevenger" <garrettmc at verizon.net>, vision2020 at moscow.com
Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 1:45 AM

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I just don't understand how anyone with faith in their religion would be so threatened by a billboard that he or she would deface said billboard. Of course, I don't understand how someone else's relationship (straight or gay) would threaten my marriage. All I can think is the "faith" expressed is pretty puny if it can't stand the stress of such external goings on...Methinks they do protest too much? Faith that easily shaken is no faith at all.
Just sayin'
Debi R-S

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Garrett Clevenger 
To: vision2020 at moscow.com 
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 10:25 AM
Subject: [Vision2020] vandals strike again (I fixed it for you Donovan)

Mike said what I would have said.  I would only change "Christians" to say "religious fanatics."

It's intersting that some justify the vandalism because they were offended and threatened by the billboard.  An an analogy would be justifying James killing of Tyler because James felt threatened by him.  James edited that threat like the vandals edited the words, only a billboard is less threatening than a jealous man.  Obviously a dead man is a way worse outcome than a vandalized billboard.

Both are crimes that should be put in the proper context and should have the proper punishment.

Mike writes:

      "This makes at least as much sense.

      Donovan,

      I agree that there are a great number of Christians that are not out to do harm, and just want to be left alone and want to leave atheists alone... Unfortunately, that is not the case for most Christians.

      Many Christians ridicule atheists. Attack them as people. Make fun of their lack of belief in God as equivocal to that of children believing in the Easter Bunny. But also want to bring real harm by the elimination and change of US Culture to insert God and replace the Constitution with the Bible as the head of all authority. They want to tax, and consequently, shut down anyone that disagrees with them.

      Christianity not only brings a cultural breakdown of basic American Values and Traditions, but at its very core promotes the principles of insanity. 

      Many Atheists want the 20+% of the people that don't believe in God to bow down to them, and  say "Merry Christmas", "God Bless you", or "One Nation Under God". 

      They don't care that 20+% of Americans are offended that God is forced into their daily lives. Nobody is barring Christians from church, or to be buried in a cemetary, or to celebrate Christmas. But they want all of it to be mandated into any public area to accomodate their personal belief system..

      Understand, whenever people preach God, there will ALWAYS be oppostion. It is our freedom and right to be free from God in everything we do. Many Christians piss people off because they don't think of them as people that want to be free from their beliefs but are hostile people instead, that are out to stop us from celebrating ours. 

      Happy Holidays,

      Mike Deleve"

 Garrett Clevenger 

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