[Vision2020] vandals strike again
Joe Campbell
philosopher.joe at gmail.com
Thu Nov 5 19:30:04 PST 2009
Are you trying to say there is no infringment of rights here? Not even
property rights? Holy crap!?!
On Nov 5, 2009, at 5:13 PM, Selina Davis <selinadavis at hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Donovan,
>
> US Supreme Court precedent dealing with the First Amendment would
> tend to differ with your conclusion. The message conveyed by the
> sign simply does not fall within any of the categories of speech
> (true threat, incitement, hate speech, defamation, commercial
> speech, purely prurient obscenity, or speech that invades the
> subject's privacy) that may be regulated, prohibited, or punished
> based on content.
>
> After two and a half years of parenting a pre-schooler who's now in
> first grade, I'd say that dealing with the occasional awkward
> conversation seems to come with the territory. I doubt that any
> literate child would be troubled, let alone traumatized, by that
> sign, particularly if his or her parent could provide a calm and
> rational response when the child asks, "What does that mean,
> anyway?" I can also honestly say that my belief in God was not
> shaken in third grade, when my then-best friend shared that she and
> her mother were atheists. I just found it curious. For what it's
> worth.
>
> - Selina
>
> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 16:22:50 -0800
> From: donovanjarnold2008 at yahoo.com
> To: bear at moscow.com
> CC: vision2020 at secure.fsr.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] vandals strike again
>
> Wayne, that is remarkably simple.
>
> Communities should get to decide what is appropriate content for the
> general public to have unwillingly thrust in their face and the eyes
> of their children and where it is appropriate.
>
> Donovan Arnold
>
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> --- On Thu, 11/5/09, Wayne Price <bear at moscow.com> wrote:
>
> From: Wayne Price <bear at moscow.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] vandals strike again
> To: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2008 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "<vision2020 at secure.fsr.com>" <vision2020 at secure.fsr.com>
> Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 11:08 PM
>
> Donovan,
>
> The problem is WHO gets to decide what is an appropriate context?
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> On Nov 5, 2009, at 3:04 PM, Donovan Arnold wrote:
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> That's funny. I think all roadside billboards should be taken down,
> they make American Roadways ugly and cause accidents. Or at least it
> should be legal to have big bushy mustaches drawn on their faces,
> unless it is Geraldo, then you would have to paint over the
> mustache. : V| D
>
> I don't think billboards announcing that Santa isn't real, or how to
> use a condom is appropriate either, because children can read those
> signs, and they do, and a parent may wish to censor what ads and
> information their children receive.
>
> Case and point; A child is coming home from their Grandmother's
> funeral or a school shooting funeral. They tell the child
> grandmother or friend are with God. Then they read a sign saying,
> there is no God.
>
> I am for free speech, but always in an appropriate context.
>
> This is ironic too, maybe the Humanists can pray their signs won't
> be vandalized. Or find a more appropriate way of expressing their
> point of view.
>
> Donovan Arnold
>
>
> --- On Thu, 11/5/09, Wayne Price <bear at moscow.com> wrote:
>
> From: Wayne Price <bear at moscow.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] vandals strike again
> To: "Joe Campbell" <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
> Cc: "<vision2020 at secure.fsr.com>" <vision2020 at secure.fsr.com>
> Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 3:58 PM
>
> Once the Humanists get the sign redone, and I really hope they do,
> would it be that hard to REMOVE the ladder leading up to the platform?
> Carrying a can of paint at night is one thing, but paint and a
> ladder? Perhaps the creeps could be caught that way.
> Or, perhaps a camera, so the creeps could be identified and
> prosecuted?
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> On Nov 5, 2009, at 7:47 AM, Joe Campbell wrote:
>
> This is against free speech, against property rights, and against
> religious freedom.
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> On Nov 4, 2009, at 2:38 PM, keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com> wrote:
>
> I wish whoever is doing this would knock it off. If the most
> courageous stand you can make for your faith in God is to deface a
> billboard, you've really got some spiritual inventory to examine.
>
> Keely
> www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
>
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> From: london at moscow.com
> To: vision2020 at secure.fsr.com
> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:13:55 -0800
> Subject: [Vision2020] vandals strike again
>
> Humanist Billboard Vandalized in Moscow, Idaho…Again
>
> (Washington, D.C, November 4, 2009) An individual or individuals have
> defaced a billboard in Moscow, Idaho… again. The billboard original
> ly
> read "Millions are good without God" but was partially obscured with
> blue paint to now read “Millions are good with God”. It's the seco
> nd
> time the American Humanist Association (AHA)-sponsored billboard has
> been vandalized in two weeks. In the first instance the word "without"
> was completely blacked out, after which the AHA quickly replaced the
> billboard. The advertisement, which was originally placed
> mid-September, is part of an American Humanist Association advertising
> campaign to spread awareness about being good without God. It's the
> third billboard advertisement the organization has displayed in the
> Moscow area and similar ads have been put up around the country.
>
> A picture of the vandalized billboard can be found here:
> http://www.americanhumanist.org/system/storage/29/1225/
> Picture_002.jpg.
> The billboard can be found on Highway 95, just south of Moscow near
> the Sweet Avenue cross street, facing northbound traffic.
>
> "The irony here is worth noting," said David Niose, president of the
> American Humanist Association. "Some individuals are committing
> criminal acts while apparently claiming that their religious view of
> the world leads to good behavior. It's not a very convincing argument
> on their part."
>
> "This is not just vandalism, it is religiously motivated vandalism
> which attempts to silence a minority viewpoint," added Niose.
> "Everyone, not just humanists, should be concerned about such acts."
>
> The Moscow Police Department notified the AHA this morning. They
> believe the ad defaced between 1 and 3 am. The AHA has alerted the
> billboard company who leased the space, Lamar Outdoor, who said they
> will start leaving the lights on round the clock. The AHA will be
> replacing the billboard but hasn't yet decided whether to go with the
> same design.
>
> "I’m disturbed that this happened again," said Roy Speckhardt,
> executive director of the American Humanist Association. "Two
> consecutive crimes in a town where the last incidence of billboard
> vandalism was years ago makes it obvious that humanists and our
> message are being targeted.”
>
> The American Humanist Association (www.americanhumanist.org) advocates
> for the rights and viewpoints of humanists. Founded in 1941 and
> headquartered in Washington, D.C., its work is extended through more
> than 100 local chapters and affiliates across the United States.
>
> Humanism is the idea that you can be good without a belief in God.
>
> ###
>
> Contact:
> Karen Frantz
> 202-238-9088
> cell: 703-725-4112
> kfrantz at americanhumanist.org
>
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