[Vision2020] Just Curious

Darrell Keim keim153 at gmail.com
Thu Nov 5 14:19:29 PST 2009 

Wayne:

Several points I'd like to clarify below:

On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 10:38 AM, Art Deco <deco at moscow.com> wrote:

>  Keely,
>
> I didn't say Weber was an alki, in fact, Matt Decker said it to me in an
> off-list letter.
>

I never read you saying that.  However, your constant need to point out that
he works at a bar seemed to be hinting (strongly) that he had something to
hide from the public.  My guess was you were hinting either:  alcoholic or
bars are bad places to work.

>
> I did say that his primary occupation was that of a bartender at The Corner
> Club.  I said that because Weber knowingly continued to posture himself as a
> project manager long after he was terminated from that position and after it
> was pointed out months ago.  The appellation"project manager" in this case
> was really a stretch -- paid local lobbyist would be more accurate.
>
> I did say that Weber had a drinking problem.  In addition to receiving
> information about this during the last two years from many sources including
> some who know Weber well and like him, I offered on this list to have any of
> those supporters (like Keim & Kimberling) to run a poll of 10 of his friends
> and post the results.
>

Please don't call me a supporter.  You don't know my politics.  I simply
couldn't watch you make assertions I knew to be untrue (the email) or
ridiculous (Lying on the resume.  I beg to differ.)  I would do the same for
Nancy Chaney, if she needed defending from particularly egregious slander.

That did not happen.  While Keim argued that Weber's false claims were not
> worthy of comment, he offered no rebuttal of the claims about Weber's
> drinking habits, nor did anyone else.
>

That is because you never made the issue about drinking.  You made it about
occupation.  Different issues.  I know nothing about his drinking habits.

>
> Perhaps, to some lying on a resume or having a drinking problem is not a
> serious thing.  During my career as a consultant which included helping
> businesses recruit and hire personnel, lying on a resume and/or having a
> drinking problem was an automatic disqualification from consideration of
> employment in the private sector for obvious reasons.  Why should it be
> different for the public sector?
>
> Wayne A. Fox
> 1009 Karen Lane
> PO Box 9421
> Moscow, ID  83843
>
> waf at moscow.com
> 208 882-7975
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
> *To:* philosopher.joe at gmail.com ; mattd2107 at hotmail.com
> *Cc:* vision2020 at moscow.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 05, 2009 8:31 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Just Curious
>
> I must have missed Art Deco's saying that Weber was an "alki," but if that
> happened, it's beyond regrettable and I hope Wayne apologizes . . .
>
> Keely
> www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> From: philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> To: mattd2107 at hotmail.com
> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 08:01:35 -0800
> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Just Curious
>
> One other thing. When someone brought up Weber's job as a bartender, I did
> write on the V that that was irrelevant. Maybe you have a better opinion of
> me if you stopped distorting what I say and stopped conveniently forgetting
> the posts I write that you agree with.
>
>
>
> On Nov 4, 2009, at 10:06 PM, Matt Decker <mattd2107 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Joe,
>
>          Exactly Joe, "what has anyone done on the left that you have
> complained about"?
>
> To clarify when I stated negativity or mudslinging goes both ways, I was
> not just meaning around here. I believe our town has a wide variety of faces
> and opinions all worthy. But dont for one minute think that the good ol
> nasty mudslinging doesnt happen both ways.
>
> Ex.
>
> Art deco claiming Weber is an alki and mentioning how he works at the club.
> How does he know? Is Art a drinking buddy? What is the purpose of stating he
> works at a bar. Answer: To BELITTLE
>
> Another one
>
> A lady wrote an opinion piece in the daily news about two weeks ago
> mentioning how she won't vote for Weber or Brown because of "these"
> obnoxious signs around town. How all the money raised by the GMA is being
> wasted on signs. Low and behold the facts come out showing that Chaney has
> made more money along with Reese raising more than Weber. Also, Chaney
> having the samne size signs all throughout Moscow.
>
> Lastly for the night
>
> You
>
> "This is why the radical right movement is such a joke. They promote
> the view that government is out of touch and corrupt yet their
> candidate for mayor needs a third party to communicate and their state
> senator likes to circumvent the democratic process with last minute
> stunts, like this weekend's letter".
>
> Along with referring to our city council as "joke radicals". Care to
> explain?
>
> Your last page excuse, mentioning how you never said they are radicals,
> looks weird to me from the above statements.
>
> Joe can you imagine if I said the radical left movement on this site. But
> then again I wouldn't do that. Just like I don't expect that from you.
>
> Take care
>
> MD
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> From: <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> To: <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>mattd2107 at hotmail.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Just Curious
> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 07:20:10 -0800
> CC: <vision2020 at moscow.com>vision2020 at moscow.com
>
> Give me a break! What exactly has anyone from the left done that I have
> complained about? Give ONE example? There is none.
>
> Again, what IS radical if circumventing the Democratic process is not? And
> if you've been paying attention, it wasn't the first time. It is a regular
> occurence. What IS radical if having connections with a group on the
> Southern Poverty Law Center watch list is not?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 3, 2009, at 7:03 AM, Matt Decker < <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>
> mattd2107 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>  So why not complain when the left does it Joe? Don't tell me they don't.
>
> Both sides do and I don't agree with it. But, to label Gary as a radical,
> is a little far fetched in my opinion.
>
> Gotta work
>
> ------------------------------
> From: <philosopher.joe at gmail.com> <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
> philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> To: <mattd2107 at hotmail.com> <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>mattd2107 at hotmail.com
> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:46:04 -0800
> CC: <vision2020 at moscow.com> <vision2020 at moscow.com>vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Just Curious
>
> Another thing: if circumventing the Democratic process is not radical
> enough, what is?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 2, 2009, at 11:11 PM, Matt Decker < <mattd2107 at hotmail.com><mattd2107 at hotmail.com>
> mattd2107 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Ok. So is he radical?
>
> M
>
> ------------------------------
> From: <philosopher.joe at gmail.com> <philosopher.joe at gmail.com><philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
> philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> To: <mattd2107 at hotmail.com> <mattd2107 at hotmail.com><mattd2107 at hotmail.com>
> mattd2107 at hotmail.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Just Curious
> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 22:54:38 -0800
> CC: <thansen at moscow.com> <thansen at moscow.com>thansen at moscow.com;
> <vision2020 at moscow.com> <vision2020 at moscow.com> <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> vision2020 at moscow.com
>
> Matt,
>
> He quoted the sitting mayor from a confidential letter leaked on Dale
> Courtney's website. At least that was the source according to his website
> when I checked it this morning.
>
> He also quoted Nancy out of context. And he did it all while hiding his
> source. Why did he hide the source? Well one reason is that we'd figure out
> the quote was out of context. You guess the other reason.
>
> I'm for information, not distortion. That's democracy for me. Give me the
> info and I'll decide. And when my guy resorts to this sort of crap, I tell
> him to hit the road.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 2, 2009, at 10:08 PM, Matt Decker < <mattd2107 at hotmail.com><mattd2107 at hotmail.com><mattd2107 at hotmail.com>
> mattd2107 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Not so sure Schroeder is radical right. Do you think he is in the same as
> Limbaugh and Hannity?
>
> > From: <philosopher.joe at gmail.com> <philosopher.joe at gmail.com><philosopher.joe at gmail.com><philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
> philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> > To: <thansen at moscow.com> <thansen at moscow.com> <thansen at moscow.com><thansen at moscow.com>
> thansen at moscow.com
> > Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 18:03:38 -0800
> > CC: <vision2020 at moscow.com> <vision2020 at moscow.com><vision2020 at moscow.com><vision2020 at moscow.com>
> vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Just Curious
> >
> > This is why the radical right movement is such a joke. They promote
> > the view that government is out of touch and corrupt yet their
> > candidate for mayor needs a third party to communicate and their state
> > senator likes to circumvent the democratic process with last minute
> > stunts, like this weekend's letter.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Nov 2, 2009, at 5:26 PM, "Tom Hansen" < <thansen at moscow.com><thansen at moscow.com><thansen at moscow.com>
> thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Bottom line, Wayne . . .
> > >
> > > If the mayor is not accessible by the people, how is that mayor
> > > going to
> > > represent those people?
> > >
> > > Mayor Chaney responds to public email inquiries regularly.
> > >
> > > Here it is the night before election day and the people of Moscow
> > > don't
> > > even know if John Weber even checks his email.
> > >
> > > Why does John Weber respond to the people of Moscow, DURING HIS
> > > ELECTION
> > > CAMPAIGN, through a third party (Greg Kimberling)?
> > >
> > > If John Weber is elected mayor, will Greg Kimberling be Mayor Weber's
> > > communication link with the people of Moscow?
> > >
> > > Seeya at the polls, Moscow.
> > >
> > > Tom Hansen
> > > Moscow, Idaho
> > >
> > > "The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects it to
> > > change
> > > and the Realist adjusts his sails."
> > >
> > > - Unknown
> > >
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