[Vision2020] Uncommon reading
bear at moscow.com
bear at moscow.com
Tue May 26 11:35:38 PDT 2009
Jennifer,
The question is, do the "endowments" you speak of go to the general
treasury of the University to be used as needed or are they targeted to
the Athletic Department?
If they are targeted to the athletic department, and don't go into the
general funds, then closing the athletic department would be a net gain.
The university saves the money it was spending on athletics, and since
they were not getting the endowment money anyway, its not a loss! And
then there is the matter of the "athletic scholarships". If there is no
athletic department, there are no "athletic scholarships", and the
general university funds that were spent on them can go for academic
scholarships.
I'm in favor of an athletic department IF it can be financially viable and
there is extra money, but in time of monetary cut backs, athletics should
be the first to go. No where in the original intent to set up a university
can I find any mention of the athletic department being one of the
cornerstones of a university.
Comments?
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> I don't remember where I read it but very few--about 19, I
> believe--athletic
> programs across the nation actually directly make a profit for their
> school
> (the average deficit was somewhere in the $9 million range). That being
> said, since when did making a profit for the school become a requirement
> for
> any program whether athletic or academic? I'm a fan of college sports. I'm
> also a fan of academics. I think we'd lose enrollment and endowment
> dollars
> if we cut unprofitable athletic programs from UI (read: all?). Losing
> enrollment and endowment money would lead to huge budget cuts in all or
> most
> academic programs. This doesn't mean I think we should increase these
> programs exponentially, but I think it's foolish to think that having them
> doesn't contribute to the overall health of the school.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Jennifer
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
> On Behalf Of lfalen
> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:01 AM
> To: keely emerinemix; Chris Price; whayman at roadrunner.com
> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com; tiedye at turbonet.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Uncommon reading
>
> I could not agree more.
> Roger
> -----Original message-----
> From: keely emerinemix kjajmix1 at msn.com
> Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 11:31:44 -0700
> To: Chris Price bear at moscow.com, whayman at roadrunner.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Uncommon reading
>
>>
>> The idea that collegiate sports programs are rah-rah opportunities for
> proud students and alumni to bond over three-hour games is a lovely one --
> and about as quaint, outdated, and irrelevant as my grandmother's fox
> stole.
> It's a whole different . . . uh . . . game nowadays, where athletes are
> recruited solely on the basis of athletic skill and scholars are recruited
> all too rarely. I realize that UI sports programs raise revenue. I also
> know they cost a tremendous amount. Has anyone studied the cost/profit
> ratio of these programs? I'm the mother of a Vandal student and the
> daughter of a Vandal grad. Both my son and my father contributed nothing
> at
> all to the success of Vandal sports programs, and I'd like to think that
> their academic contributions mattered at least as much as the ability of
> other "students" to throw a football.
>>
>> There's something wrong when even one academic program is cut when
> athletic expenditures are increasing.
>>
>> Keely
>> http://keely-prevailingwinds.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 11:09:11 -0700
>> > From: bear at moscow.com
>> > To: whayman at roadrunner.com
>> > CC: vision2020 at moscow.com; tiedye at turbonet.com
>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Uncommon reading
>> >
>> >
>> > TYPICAL! we cut academic programs, but God forbid that we cut wasteful
>> > athletics! Bubba can PLAY football, he just can't spell it! Is there
>> > something wrong with our local universities turning out Nobel winners
>> > rather than second rate athletes?
>> >
>> > The purpose of the universities, ESPECIALLY the land grant
>> universities,
>> > of which both U of I and WSU are, is to EDUCATE not turn out such fine
>> > examples of professional athletics as Ryan Leaf! [Ryan David Leaf is
>> a
>> > former American football quarterback who played for the San Diego
>> > Chargers, Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Dallas Cowboys between 1998 and
>> 2001.
>> > His brother Brady was a quarterback for the University of Oregon
>> Ducks.
>> > Leaf had a successful college career at Washington State University,
> where
>> > he was a finalist for the Heisman Trophy in his junior year. He was
>> > selected as the second overall pick in the 1998 NFL Draft after Peyton
>> > Manning of the University of Tennessee, and many scouts predicted he
> would
>> > actually be a better pro than Manning. However, his time as a
> professional
>> > lasted only four years, and was marked by injuries, poor relations
>> with
>> > teammates and the media, and poor performance. He is widely regarded
>> as
>> > one of the biggest busts in NFL and professional sports history.]
>> >
>> > Before ANY academic programs are cut from a real university, the
> semi-pro
>> > athletics need to be done away with.
>> >
>> >
>> > Comments?
>> >
>> >
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---------------------------
>> > > So much for the Pollanation of ideas at a land grant institution.
>> > >
>> > > Warren Hayman
>> > >
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: "Dave" <tiedye at turbonet.com>
>> > > To: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> > > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 7:19 AM
>> > > Subject: [Vision2020] Uncommon reading
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >> WSU halts "common reading" program. I guess some clear talk about
> our
>> > >> food is too much for some.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
> http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2009/may/21/wsu-drops-reading-program/
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Maybe they could burn them all in a bonfire and have a weenie
>> roast.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Dave
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> --
>> > >> Windows, OSX, or Linux is the same choice as:
>> > >> McDonalds, Burger King, or a (real) Co-Op.
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