[Vision2020] Boise Man Seeks to Put Bible Education in IdahoSchools
Tom Hansen
thansen at moscow.com
Tue Jun 23 19:11:17 PDT 2009
Sue stated:
"Kai, his raised eyebrow wouldn't be enough....his ears aren't the right
shape."
To which I suggest:
In Klingon:
"yIchId tlhInganpu' tu'lu'be' 'e' luSov SenwI' rIlwI' je."
English transplation:
"Come on, everyone knows that Klingons don't exist!"
(http://kisa.ca/klingon-phrases.html)
DaHjajaj QaQ Daghajjaj, Moscow.
Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho
> Kai, his raised eyebrow wouldn't be enough....his ears aren't the right
> shape.
>
> Sue
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kai Eiselein" <editor at lataheagle.com>
> To: "Joe Campbell" <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>; "Sue Hovey"
> <suehovey at moscow.com>
> Cc: "Moscow Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 8:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Boise Man Seeks to Put Bible Education in
> IdahoSchools
>
>
>> Joe,
>> I'd support you teaching logic to grade schoolers, but only if you
>> dressed
>> and acted like Spock.
>> Can you do the one raised eyebrow thing?
>>
>> Live long and prosper.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Joe Campbell" <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
>> To: "Sue Hovey" <suehovey at moscow.com>
>> Cc: "Moscow Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 7:30 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Boise Man Seeks to Put Bible Education in
>> IdahoSchools
>>
>>
>>> Great post, Sue! Maybe I should start a petition to teach logic in
>>> grade school. I'd have less of a problem with folks taking a Bible
>>> course as an "elective" if they had to take logic along with it.
>>>
>>> Joe Campbell
>>>
>>> On Jun 22, 2009, at 10:37 PM, "Sue Hovey" <suehovey at moscow.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Great idea. I'll teach it. I had a high school Bible class
>>>> once...It was
>>>> taught by a wonderful man, our Southern Baptist pastor, and I hung
>>>> on every
>>>> word he said. I recall he told the one Catholic in the class he
>>>> didn't have
>>>> to believe everything in the lectures, but he needed to take notes
>>>> so he
>>>> could give the correct answers on the quizzes. Then I went off to
>>>> Baylor
>>>> University and learned a lot more about the Bible (King James version,
>>>> naturally)--especially the New Testament. I know for a fact that Jesus
>>>> didn't turn water into the drink we know as wine--it was more like
>>>> Kool Aid.
>>>> (Remember, we didn't dance at Baylor either.) I'd have a bit of
>>>> problem
>>>> teaching the Bible as "the greatest book ever written," as I've read
>>>> quite a
>>>> few books with considerably more literary merit--(I'm thinking
>>>> Huckleberry
>>>> Finn.) It couldn't be taught as fiction--that would antagonize
>>>> fundamentalists, or as history--historians would bring suit, or as
>>>> science
>>>> (well maybe in Idaho). And in high school I'd probably decide not
>>>> to deal
>>>> with Song of Solomon, or the admonition to burn witches (high school
>>>> students sometimes have a bit of trouble with inference: "if
>>>> witches tend
>>>> to be female, then females tend to be teachers, therefore teachers
>>>> tend to
>>>> be witches--we'll use the homecoming bonfire."
>>>>
>>>> Even with my credentials, fundamentalist parents would consider me
>>>> not a
>>>> good choice. They would be correct. And of course we couldn't have a
>>>> Jewish teacher--no New Testament; or an athiest or agnostic, or even a
>>>> deist--not religious enough. An LDS? Heavens, they'd probably use
>>>> the Book
>>>> of Mormon as a supplemental text. A Jehovah's Witness--thank goodness
>>>> they'd refuse, but they'd want to distribute their literature. Not a
>>>> Unitarian either, everyone just knows they don't have a good handle on
>>>> belief. Even the KKK, when they burned crosses in the South, planted
>>>> question marks ? in the yards of Unitarians.
>>>>
>>>> Seriously, even as an elective course, an appropriate and
>>>> historically
>>>> accurate teaching of the Bible as literature would be impossible.
>>>> Perhaps
>>>> it caused limited damage in my little homogeneous hometown of 50
>>>> years ago,
>>>> but even though we had a wonderful, compassionate, intelligent
>>>> teacher, he
>>>> was unable to distance himself from doctrine. And he would have
>>>> faulted
>>>> himself as a minister had he done so. I think a serious, intelligent
>>>> teacher would be equally incapable of designing a curriculum which
>>>> would be
>>>> inoffensive to the students who might elect that high school class.
>>>> And if
>>>> it were, I doubt it would be worth the students' time.
>>>>
>>>> When you are offered the chance to sign that petition, think about
>>>> it, and
>>>> then refuse.
>>>>
>>>> Sue Hovey
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
>>>> To: "Moscow Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>> Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 8:21 AM
>>>> Subject: [Vision2020] Boise Man Seeks to Put Bible Education in Idaho
>>>> Schools
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Courtesy of today's (June 22, 2009) Moscow-Pullman Daily News.
>>>>>
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Boise man seeks to put Bible education in Idaho schools
>>>>> Petition supports ballot initiative allowing non-sectarian study of
>>>>> the
>>>>> Bible
>>>>> By Halley Griffin, Daily News staff writer
>>>>>
>>>>> Chuck Seldon is a man on a mission.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Boise resident is working hard to bring Bible study back to
>>>>> public
>>>>> schools in Idaho, in the form of elective history or literature
>>>>> classes.
>>>>>
>>>>> "We have a year and a half to get 51,000 signatures, and then it
>>>>> goes on
>>>>> the ballot and we've got the Bible back into the public schools,"
>>>>> said
>>>>> Seldon, 77, a retired educator and founder of Our Godly American
>>>>> Heritage,
>>>>> a group working to bring Bible curriculum back into public schools.
>>>>>
>>>>> He must gather at least 51,000 signatures from registered Idaho
>>>>> voters to
>>>>> get the initiative on the 2010 general election ballot.
>>>>>
>>>>> The initiative would add a section of Idaho Code authorizing school
>>>>> boards
>>>>> to offer an elective Bible course in public secondary schools.
>>>>>
>>>>> The proposed statute reads, "Recognizing that the United States
>>>>> Supreme
>>>>> Court declared in Abington v. Schempp (1963) that '(t)he Bible is
>>>>> worth of
>>>>> study for its literary and historic qualities' and that 'such study
>>>>> of the
>>>>> Bible or of religion, when presented objectively as a part of a
>>>>> secular
>>>>> program of education' is consistent with the First Amendment of the
>>>>> United
>>>>> States Constitution, it shall be lawful for any local school board in
>>>>> Idaho to allow for elective Bible course curricula to be approved and
>>>>> offered in its public secondary schools."
>>>>>
>>>>> The Idaho Constitution states that "no sectarian or religious
>>>>> tenets or
>>>>> doctrines shall ever be taught in the public schools," but Seldon
>>>>> says the
>>>>> proposed statute forbids the endorsement of sectarian or
>>>>> denominational
>>>>> doctrine in the elective classes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Seldon and his wife "left the public schools in 1973 because we
>>>>> didn't
>>>>> like the direction they were going, and so we started setting up
>>>>> Christian
>>>>> schools around the world," he said.
>>>>>
>>>>> Seldon said he first heard of the National Council on Bible
>>>>> Curriculum in
>>>>> Public Schools, another group pushing for Bible curriculum in public
>>>>> schools, when he moved to Idaho to retire.
>>>>>
>>>>> The group's Web site claims its Bible curriculum has been voted
>>>>> into 487
>>>>> school districts in 38 states to date.
>>>>>
>>>>> Seldon said he got very excited when he learned about the project and
>>>>> decided to dedicate the rest of his life to the cause.
>>>>>
>>>>> "There's hope for our public schools. The greatest book ever
>>>>> written, and
>>>>> it's not in the public schools? It's amazing," he said.
>>>>>
>>>>> University of Idaho student Kate Carlson said she supports Seldon's
>>>>> project, and would willingly add her signature to the petition.
>>>>>
>>>>> "I am Christian and I fully believe in religious education," she
>>>>> said.
>>>>> "And not making people do it, but giving them the option. I
>>>>> definitely
>>>>> think it would be a good thing."
>>>>>
>>>>> Moscow resident Sharon Andres agreed.
>>>>>
>>>>> "I think that would be great," she said. "They throw everything
>>>>> else at
>>>>> the kids."
>>>>>
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Comments?
>>>>>
>>>>> Tom Hansen
>>>>> Moscow, Idaho
>>>>>
>>>>> "The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects it to
>>>>> change
>>>>> and the Realist adjusts his sails."
>>>>>
>>>>> - Unknown
>>>>>
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