[Vision2020] Sotomayor: US Supreme Court's Sixth Catholic?

Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
Thu Jun 11 08:26:09 PDT 2009


The key that connects anti-abortion and anti-death penalty is the  
sanctity of human life. Besides, sometimes the innocent are killed via  
the death penalty. If you are against the killing of the innocent I  
don't see how you can be in favor of either the death penalty of war  
for that matter. How many innocent children died in the Iraq war for  
instance? Any justification for that would have to apply to a great  
many cases of abortion.

In short, the radical right view that allows for the death penalty and  
war yet won't let adults make personal decisions about abortion for  
themselves, makes no sense.

Joe Campbell

On Jun 10, 2009, at 8:09 PM, "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>  
wrote:

> Isn't a pre-born child the very definition of innocence while a  
> convicted
> murderer epitomizes its polar opposite? The notion of having no  
> regard for
> the former while extending all consideration to the later seems  
> screwed up
> and backward in the extreme.
>
> Murder the infant and lavish mercy on Joseph Duncan? This seems just?
> Really?
>
> g
>
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> From: <bear at moscow.com>
> To: "Paul Rumelhart" <godshatter at yahoo.com>
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> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 7:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sotomayor: US Supreme Court's Sixth  
> Catholic?
>
>
>>
>> Ted and Paul,
>>
>> I guess i have to ask the question, "Does it make a difference one  
>> way or
>> the other"?
>>
>> Taking myself as an example, I was raised and am a practicing  
>> Catholic. I
>> do not believe in abortions at all, however, I do believe in  
>> choice. Pro
>> choice does NOT equal pro-abortion.
>>
>> And just as an aside, have you ever noticed how the "anti-abortion"  
>> folks
>> are usually pro death penalty?  I think those of us that oppose the  
>> death
>> penalty (which I do), should just call it post-birth abortions and we
>> could get most of the anti-abortion folks on board!
>>
>> Wayne
>>
>>
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>>> Ted Moffett wrote:
>>>> On 6/5/09, *Paul Rumelhart* <godshatter at yahoo.com
>>>> <mailto:godshatter at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    I used to speculate wildly about whether or not our former
>>>>    President was
>>>>    really a believer or if he was blatantly manipulating the  
>>>> religious
>>>>    right through their own predilictions (or both).  What it comes
>>>>    down to
>>>>    is this: we can't look into their hearts.  Sotomayor may be  
>>>> the most
>>>>    devout Catholic evar, but doesn't outwardly show it on a day- 
>>>> to-day
>>>>    basis.  For all I know, she goes to church three times a week  
>>>> just
>>>> to
>>>>    get away from her family.  We just can't know.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why do you state "we just can't know" about Sotomayor's  
>>>> regularity of
>>>> church attendance?
>>>
>>> Rereading that, I see I wasn't very clear.  I'm not saying "we just
>>> can't know" about her regularity of church attendance.  I'm saying  
>>> "we
>>> just can't know" what's in her heart, what she actually believes  
>>> deep
>>> down inside.  The most regular church attender might be a closet
>>> Luciferan Satanist, people who never go to church may be extremely
>>> spiritual Christians.  We can speculate wildly about what they  
>>> actually
>>> believe.  We can even read what they claim to believe, but we'll  
>>> never
>>> know exactly what they actually believe, because we can't get inside
>>> their heads or their hearts.
>>>
>>> At the time I wrote it, I didn't know how often she attended  
>>> church, so
>>> I covered both sides of the spectrum.  My point still stands - we  
>>> can't
>>> look into her heart so we can't know for certain if she's a "true
>>> believer" or not.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>>
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