[Vision2020] Obama to Name Sotomayor as Supreme Court Pick

[Joe Campbell]

I think this post is probably a lie.

Read this carefully, Roger!

Joe Campbell

On Jun 4, 2009, at 10:28 AM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:

> Saundra
> I am glad that you disapprove of all tax cheats. I still find you  
> strange tha you choose to expound only on those associated with the  
> right an remain  silent on those appointed bt Obama.
> You should read my post more carefully. I did NOT say that you  
> posted all of the false  statements I listed. I said that I thought  
> you probably posted some of them. If you did and then corrected it  
> later, thats great. I will accept your word for it.
> I have not made excuses for my errors. I think I elaborated on them  
> at length.
> Roger
> -----Original message-----
> From: "Saundra Lund" v2020 at ssl.fastmail.fm
> Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 11:56:35 -0700
> To: "'lfalen'" lfalen at turbonet.com, "'keely emerinemix'" kjajmix1 at msn.com 
> , "'Tom Hansen'" thansen at moscow.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Obama to Name Sotomayor as Supreme Court  
> Pick
>
>> Roger:
>>
>> You wrote:
>> "You continue to beat up on Joe the Plummer, but you still do not  
>> say anything about the tax cheats that Oboma has appointed."
>>
>> No, I don't "beat up" on him -- I state facts.  Period.
>>
>> You also asked:
>> "Is is ok by you that that rich lefts in a position of power cheat  
>> on their taxes"
>>
>> No, as you should know, I'm against tax cheats of all kinds,  
>> including those who are local.  I don't post on or respond to every  
>> topic that strikes my fancy, but I am more inclined to respond to  
>> posts that put information I know is incorrect or incomplete out  
>> there -- like yours.
>>
>> You also wrote:
>> "I think it a little sanctimonious to claim that you never  
>> inadvertently posted erroneous information."
>>
>> That's not what I wrote.  What I wrote with respect to your false  
>> accusations about the posts I did about Palin was, "I posted facts  
>> and corrected rumors."  Please read a little more carefully before  
>> you hurl baseless accusations around!  I know this list sometimes  
>> has a lot of traffic and that not everyone (perhaps anyone!) can  
>> remember it all, but I have *never ever* had any qualms about  
>> correcting things I've posted that were inaccurate or incomplete  
>> here.  I can think of several instances where I had to correct  
>> myself, either for things I found out after posting or when other  
>> Visionaries brought more information to my attention.
>>
>> And, guess what?  I accepted responsibility and didn't make excuses  
>> for those errors.  Maybe you should try it sometime?
>>
>> As for your list, STOP IT, Roger!!!  Quit making false accusations  
>> about what you "venture" to guess as to what Palin "rumors" I  
>> posted because you are DEAD WRONG.
>>
>> You wrote:
>> "Africa was a country not a continent."
>>
>> Nope -- I posted nothing of the sort.  I did post about her ties to  
>> the infamous Muthee.  However, I'm quite sure I remember FOX News  
>> making a very big deal about Palin not knowing that Africa was a  
>> continent rather than a country . . . yuppers, there are quite a  
>> few videos available of the various discussions on FOX News --  
>> here's only one such link:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Whj_bu4YhE
>>
>> You wrote:
>> "A long list of books that she wanted banned which included Harry  
>> Potter and books by Mark Twain. She did ask how a request to ban  
>> books would be handled, because a patron had asked the library to  
>> remove a book and she wanted to know how should disputes were  
>> handled. The Librarian was fired, but was hired back the next  
>> day.There was no list of books submitted by her."
>>
>> Wrong again, Roger:  I was the first one here to point out --  
>> repeatedly -- the facts about that.  Before you accusing me of  
>> things I didn't do, you should at least have the common decency to  
>> get your facts straight.  Feel free to take your precious time to  
>> look at my posts on 9/7/2008, and then apologize.
>>
>> You wrote:
>> "Sarah Palin was a member of the Alaska Independence Party. She did  
>> go to one meeting and Todd was a member from1995 to 2000"
>>
>> Nope -- I sure didn't post anything of the sort.  Perhaps what  
>> you're remembering is my post on 10/11/2008 that greatly  
>> illuminated her ties to right-wing radicals like Mark Chryson and  
>> Steve Stoll.
>>
>> You also wrote:
>> "Palin charged victims of rape for rape kits."
>>
>> Wrong again -- I posted that the police chief ***Palin*** appointed  
>> was against legislation prohibiting municipalities from charging  
>> rape victims for rape kits, legislation that was required to stop  
>> Wasilla from charging rape victims.  See my posts from 9/9, 9/10,  
>> and 9/12/2008.
>>
>> You wrote:
>> "Palin faked a pregnency and Trig was actually Bristol's"
>>
>> I'm sounding like broken record, but you are absolutely wrong:  I  
>> posted absolutely nothing of the sort!
>>
>> You also wrote:
>> "Palin had a affair with Todd's bussiness partner."
>>
>> For the love of God, STOP IT, ROGER!!!  I posted no such thing, and  
>> I vehemently object to you dishonestly attributing outrageous  
>> things to me!
>>
>> Look -- if you want to post things on V2020, then you need to be  
>> willing to accept the discussion that follows WITHOUT resorting to  
>> making scurrilous accusations against those who disagree with you  
>> or respond with more accurate &/or complete information.
>>
>> Frankly, you should be ashamed of yourself, Roger.  It's one thing  
>> to (repeatedly) pass along the kind of knee-jerk stuff you do  
>> without taking 30 seconds to check for accuracy, but it's a  
>> completely different think to make blatantly false accusations  
>> about those who respond to your nonsense.  Some of us who  
>> participate in these discussions actually CARE about our  
>> reputations for accuracy.  You don't care about yours, and that's  
>> your choice, but how DARE you make absolutely baseless accusations  
>> against those of us who do.
>>
>>
>> Saundra Lund
>> Moscow, ID
>>
>> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people  
>> to do nothing.
>> ~ Edmund Burke
>>
>> ***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2009 through  
>> life plus 70 years, Saundra Lund.  Do not copy, forward, excerpt,  
>> or reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum without the express  
>> written permission of the author.*****
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: lfalen [mailto:lfalen at turbonet.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 10:32 AM
>> To: Saundra Lund; 'Saundra Lund'; 'keely emerinemix'; 'Tom Hansen'; vision2020 at moscow.com
>> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Obama to Name Sotomayor as Supreme Court  
>> Pick
>>
>> Saundra
>> I readily admit that I have posted material that turned out to be  
>> false. I have never intentionally done so. I check Snopes on  
>> material that I receive that I think is suspect. There are some  
>> that I did not check that I should have.
>> My computer is slow, If  something does not come up in a couple of  
>> minutes I move on. I have other things to do than camp on the  
>> internet.
>> You continue to beat up on Joe the Plummer, but you still do not  
>> say anything about the tax cheats that Oboma has appointed. Is is  
>> ok by you that that rich lefts in a position of power cheat on  
>> their taxes How abut equal treatment.
>> I think it a little sanctimonious to claim that you never  
>> inadvertently posted erroneous information.
>> Here is a partial list of false information that is out there on  
>> Palin. This list is no means exhaustive.
>> Africa was a country not a continent.
>> A long list of books that she wanted banned which included Harry  
>> Potter and books by Mark Twain. She did ask how a request to ban  
>> books would be handled, because a patron had asked the library to  
>> remove a book and she wanted to know how should disputes were  
>> handled. The Librarian was fired, but was hired back the next  
>> day.There was no list of books submitted by her.
>> Sarah Palin was a member of the Alaska Independence Party. She did  
>> go to one meeting and Todd was a member from1995 to 2000
>> Palin charged victims of rape for rape kits.
>> Palin faked a pregnency and Trig was actually Bristol's
>> Palin had a affair with Todd's bussiness partner.
>> I do not have  the time to check out your posts on the archives,  
>> but I would venture that some of these show up there.
>> Why not just admit that we all make mistakes?
>> Roger
>>
>> -----Original message-----
>> From: "Saundra Lund" v2020 at ssl.fastmail.fm
>> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 12:19:15 -0700
>> To: "'lfalen'" lfalen at turbonet.com, "'Saundra Lund'" sslund_2007 at verizon.net 
>> , "'keely emerinemix'" kjajmix1 at msn.com, "'Tom Hansen'" thansen at moscow.com 
>> , vision2020 at moscow.com
>> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Obama to Name Sotomayor as Supreme Court  
>> Pick
>>
>>> Roger wrote:
>>> "While I did not quote her full statements I do not think it  
>>> skewed the
>>> meaning."
>>>
>>> Then I can only assume you didn't bother to read the links or else  
>>> you'd
>>> readily admit that your talking heads have excelled at nothing so  
>>> much as
>>> taking the snips out of context.
>>>
>>> You also wrote:
>>> "For someone who posted every rumor about Sarah Palin yo do not  
>>> have much
>>> room to talk."
>>>
>>> Wrong again:  I posted facts and corrected rumors.
>>>
>>> You also wrote:
>>> "Also If i remember correctly you landed all over Joe The Plummer  
>>> for being
>>> a tax cheat."
>>>
>>> Yes, he was a tax cheat & a liar, and it was idiotic for the GOP  
>>> to try to
>>> dress him us as anything different.  Don't blame me for his very own
>>> transgressions -- blame your compatriots for not having the sense  
>>> God gave a
>>> billy goat.  Sheesh -- anyone with a scintilla of intelligence  
>>> knows better
>>> than to trot out a new poster boy without doing even simple Google  
>>> search.
>>>
>>> Please do tell us why you're going ape over Sotomayor while not  
>>> giving a rip
>>> that what she said isn't much different than Scalia's opinion in  
>>> REPUBLICAN
>>> PARTY OF MINN. V. WHITE
>>> (http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/01-521.ZO.html):
>>> "This complete separation of the judiciary from the enterprise of
>>> "representative government" might have some truth in those  
>>> countries where
>>> judges neither make law themselves nor set aside the laws enacted  
>>> by the
>>> legislature. It is not a true picture of the American system. Not  
>>> only do
>>> state-court judges possess the power to "make" common law, but  
>>> they have the
>>> immense power to shape the States' constitutions as well. See,  
>>> e.g., Baker
>>> v. State, 170 Vt. 194, 744 A. 2d 864 (1999). Which is precisely  
>>> why the
>>> election of state judges became popular."
>>>
>>> AND
>>> "Although Justice [John Paul] Stevens at times appears to agree  
>>> with Justice
>>> [Ruth Bader] Ginsburg's premise that the judiciary is completely  
>>> separated
>>> from the enterprise of representative government, post, at 3  
>>> ("[E]very good
>>> judge is fully aware of the distinction between the law and a  
>>> personal point
>>> of view"), he eventually appears to concede that the separation  
>>> does not
>>> hold true for many judges who sit on courts of last resort, post,  
>>> at 3 ("If
>>> he is not a judge on the highest court in the State, he has an  
>>> obligation to
>>> follow the precedent of that court, not his personal views or  
>>> public opinion
>>> polls"); post, at 3, n. 2. Even if the policy making capacity of  
>>> judges were
>>> limited to courts of last resort, that would only prove that the  
>>> announce
>>> clause fails strict scrutiny. "[I]f announcing one's views in the  
>>> context of
>>> a campaign for the State Supreme Court might be" protected speech,  
>>> post, at
>>> 3, n. 2, then-even if announcing one's views in the context of a  
>>> campaign
>>> for a lower court were not protected speech, ibid.-the announce  
>>> clause would
>>> not be narrowly tailored, since it applies to high- and low-court  
>>> candidates
>>> alike. In fact, however, the judges of inferior courts often "make  
>>> law,"
>>> since the precedent of the highest court does not cover every  
>>> situation, and
>>> not every case is reviewed. Justice Stevens has repeatedly  
>>> expressed the
>>> view that a settled course of lower court opinions binds the  
>>> highest court.
>>> See, e.g., Reves v. Ernst & Young, 494 U.S. 56, 74 (1990)  
>>> (concurring
>>> opinion); McNally v. United States, 483 U.S. 350, 376--377 (1987)
>>> (dissenting opinion)."
>>>
>>>
>>> Get your shovel & start digging, Roger, because the more you keep  
>>> saying,
>>> the deeper you keep digging your hole.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Saundra Lund
>>> Moscow, ID
>>>
>>> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good  
>>> people to do
>>> nothing.
>>> ~ Edmund Burke
>>>
>>> ***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2009 through  
>>> life plus
>>> 70 years, Saundra Lund.  Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or  
>>> reproduce outside
>>> the Vision 2020 forum without the express written permission of the
>>> author.*****
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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