[Vision2020] Say What?
Wayne Price
bear at moscow.com
Thu Jul 30 11:04:42 PDT 2009
Respond, YES.........use it as an excuse to enter a private home, NO
On Jul 30, 2009, at 10:30 AM, lfalen wrote:
> I will turn the tables on you. Do you contend that the police should
> not respond to an attempted burglary?
> Roger
> -----Original message-----
> From: Wayne Price bear at moscow.com
> Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 10:07:55 -0700
> To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?
>
>> Roger,
>>
>> So you think that anytime anyone calls in and says "I think I saw
>> someone breaking into the house at xyz main st " the police have a
>> right to burst in and abuse who ever is in there?
>> You don't think IF that was the standard, police agencies would use
>> that as an excuse to get into places rather than a warrant?
>> REMEMBER,
>> anything a police officer sees inside, IF they are legally there is
>> admissible in court.
>> What happened to a reasonable expectation of privacy? You now need ID
>> when you're in your own house just to keep the police out ?
>>
>> And in this particular case, once the owners ID was shown, the
>> policeman should have gotten the hell OUT.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 30, 2009, at 9:20 AM, lfalen wrote:
>>
>>> That is right, he was. The officer was responding to a potential
>>> burglary. Gates should have been appreciative. Instead he was
>>> verbally abusive.
>>> Roger
>>> -----Original message-----
>>> From: Wayne Price bear at moscow.com
>>> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 11:05:10 -0700
>>> To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?
>>>
>>>> Roger,
>>>>
>>>> But he was in HIS OWN HOUSE!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 29, 2009, at 10:57 AM, lfalen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think thar you are missing the point. Gate was belligerent from
>>>>> the git go before he finally identified himself. He at first
>>>>> refused to do so. He was arrested for verbal abuse of a police
>>>>> officer, not for burglary. If a black cop came to my house
>>>>> after I
>>>>> had locked myself out I would thank him for doing his job. About
>>>>> 20
>>>>> years ago when I was the Feed Plant Manager for Whitman County
>>>>> Grower I was working late one night, trying to finish up the
>>>>> monthly
>>>>> billings. I had turned off the lights and went to sleep in a
>>>>> sleeping bag. It was about 2:00 AM when a search light was
>>>>> shined in
>>>>> the window. A bull horn said " come out of there with your hands
>>>>> up"
>>>>> I said " as soon as I get my pants on". I identified myself
>>>>> telling
>>>>> them what I was doing and they went on their way.
>>>>> Roger
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original message-----
>>>>> From: Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
>>>>> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 07:41:30 -0700
>>>>> To: "g. crabtree" jampot at roadrunner.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?
>>>>>
>>>>>> Look it up yourself. You don't trust my sources anyway! Trust me,
>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>> not going to waste my time trying to convince you of anything.
>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>> just here to note your errors.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course Gates could and should have handled it better. But
>>>>>> once
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> ID was shown, the officer should have left. His services were no
>>>>>> longer needed. Everything after that point was a waste of
>>>>>> taxpayer
>>>>>> dollars, something you usually care a lot about -- though it is
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> surprising you ignore it when it suits you. That is your MO.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 29, 2009, at 10:25 AM, "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I failed to note it because I'm fairly sure that it didn't
>>>>>>> happen.
>>>>>>> Please provide a link to BHO's apology to either Sgt. Crowley or
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> Cambridge P.D.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Having actually read the police report, it's clear that had
>>>>>>> Gates
>>>>>>> simply and calmly shown his I.D. the officer would have left. It
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> Gates who continued to aggressively engage Sgt Crowley with
>>>>>>> demands
>>>>>>> and threats. Was Gates' arrest required? Probably not but, there
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> no question but what the professor was the one that was behaving
>>>>>>> stupidly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> g
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Campbell" <philosopher.joe at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
>>>>>>> Cc: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>; "Moscow Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 6:41 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If someone came to your house thinking you broke in and you
>>>>>>>> showed
>>>>>>>> him ID proving you lived there and he didn't leave
>>>>>>>> immediately,
>>>>>>>> I'd say he acted stupidly -- even if you took the race
>>>>>>>> elements
>>>>>>>> out of it. As it turns out, Obama even said he was sorry,
>>>>>>>> which of
>>>>>>>> course you failed to note.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not that any of this will convince you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jul 29, 2009, at 9:12 AM, "g. crabtree"
>>>>>>>> <jampot at roadrunner.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm not so sure that I'd go so far as to brand the POTUS a
>>>>>>>>> racist
>>>>>>>>> as it's a
>>>>>>>>> term that gets thrown around a little to casually, in my
>>>>>>>>> opinion.
>>>>>>>>> I would,
>>>>>>>>> however, like to know how you explain his standing in front of
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> nation
>>>>>>>>> and stating up front that he doesn't know the whole story with
>>>>>>>>> regard to his
>>>>>>>>> pal Henry Gates and Cambridge police sergeant James Crowley
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> yet went so
>>>>>>>>> far as to characterize law enforcements actions as "behaving
>>>>>>>>> stupidly?" How
>>>>>>>>> many other decisions does the man reach without being fully
>>>>>>>>> informed?
>>>>>>>>> Judging from other remarks I've heard him make I'd venture to
>>>>>>>>> say
>>>>>>>>> Cap and
>>>>>>>>> Trade and National Health Care might fall squarely into that
>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>> category.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> g
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: "Moscow Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 5:41 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Vision2020] Say What?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "This president, I think, has exposed himself as a guy, over
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> over and
>>>>>>>>>> over again, who has a deep-seated hatred for white people or
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> white
>>>>>>>>>> culture, I don't know what it is. I'm not saying that he
>>>>>>>>>> doesn't like
>>>>>>>>>> white people. I'm saying he has a problem. This guy is, I
>>>>>>>>>> believe, a
>>>>>>>>>> racist.''
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> - Glenn Beck on President Obama (July 28, 2009)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIZDnpPafaA
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Seeya round town, Moscow.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Tom Hansen
>>>>>>>>>> Moscow, Idaho
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects
>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>> to change
>>>>>>>>>> and the Realist adjusts his sails."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> - Unknown
>>>>>>>>>>
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