[Vision2020] Choices

Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
Sat Jul 25 16:49:21 PDT 2009


You're welcome over my house!

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 25, 2009, at 5:40 PM, Wayne Price <bear at moscow.com> wrote:

> Joe,
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> THE parents have a CHOICE to expose them or not. I NO LONGER have a  
> choice where to smoke, so where it will be legal to smoke, I will.
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> On Jul 25, 2009, at 2:30 PM, Joe Campbell wrote:
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>> Subjecting children to secondhand smoke! That ought to teach them!
>>
>> And it is hard to see how I changed the topic since the first post  
>> in this thread is from Gary and on abortion. But don't let the  
>> facts get in the way! That's what Fox is for!
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jul 25, 2009, at 4:29 PM, Wayne Price <bear at moscow.com> wrote:
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>>> Gary,
>>>
>>> THANKS for bringing this back to the original problem, the smoking  
>>> ban!
>>> I agree 100% and think you summed up the problem of the smoking  
>>> topic right on the point!
>>>
>>> I used to be very aware of non-smokers when I lit a cigarette  and  
>>> I would ask if it bothered them, and if it did, I would observe  
>>> usual social conventions and either not light up,
>>> or move so that they could enjoy what ever they were doing without  
>>> my smoke bothering them. NOT any more after the 3rd of August !  
>>> Now, If I'm in an area where I can legally smoke,
>>>  I'm lighting up, and if the non-smokers don't like it, they can  
>>> head to a bar or private club where they don't have to put up with  
>>> second hand smoke!
>>>
>>> And in all seriousness, take a look at where twenty feet from the  
>>> door of West of Paris is, in relationship to twenty feet from the  
>>> door of the Garden. Puts me right in the middle of the kiddy  
>>> equipment,
>>> Oh well, THATS what the non-smokers wanted, THATS what they get!
>>>
>>>
>>> Wayne
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>>> On Jul 25, 2009, at 1:12 PM, g. crabtree wrote:
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>>>> Surprisingly, considering your short attention span, you have  
>>>> brought this back around to the original topic which was the  
>>>> smoking ban and in that here are the similarities I see.
>>>>
>>>> A private citizen owns a business. It is open to all, be they  
>>>> patrons or employees. The only stipulation being you must be  
>>>> willing to put up with the bar's environment. A small group of  
>>>> people want to partake of the private citizens private property  
>>>> but they do not want to endure the rules of use so, rather than  
>>>> take advantage of already existing venues that already meet their  
>>>> criterion, or create a new venue of their own that would fulfill  
>>>> their needs, they use the sledgehammer of government to force the  
>>>> private property owner and all of his clients who are perfectly  
>>>> happy with the current arraignment to accede to their wishes.
>>>>
>>>> Now, an institution exists called marriage. It may not be a  
>>>> perfect institution but it has served its purpose relatively well  
>>>> for may years. It is open to all, the only stipulation is that  
>>>> its an arraignment set up solely for a man and a woman. A small  
>>>> group of people want to partake of this arraignment but they do  
>>>> not want to have to follow the rules that are set up for it. So,  
>>>> rather than utilizing an existing framework to obtain their goals  
>>>> (legal documents such as wills, living wills, medical powers of  
>>>> atty, etc.) or set up a new institution that will fulfill their  
>>>> desires (domestic partnership), they attempt to use the  
>>>> sledgehammer of the state to force their desires onto the majority.
>>>>
>>>> In the first example, you claim that government and the small,  
>>>> vocal group interested in changing the status quo were doing a  
>>>> good thing "in the name of public health," even though the only  
>>>> people affected were those who voluntarily entered the privately  
>>>> owned premises and that the hazard did not extend beyond the  
>>>> walls to anyone who didn't choose to be there.
>>>>
>>>> In the second example, you claim that a small, vocal group  
>>>> attempting to use the power of government to alter the status quo  
>>>> is a good thing because.......??
>>>>
>>>> g
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Joe Campbell
>>>> To: g. crabtree
>>>> Cc: the lockshop ; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 9:24 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Choices
>>>>
>>>> You make it seem as if marriage is no big deal and not any  
>>>> different than any old legal contract but if that is the case it  
>>>> is not clear why you got married in the first place or why you  
>>>> would give a damn if two men married each other. Can you explain  
>>>> that? If there is no difference why not just let anyone marry  
>>>> whom ever they wish? Again, it is a strange view of freedom that  
>>>> desires to keep folks from doing what they want even when, if  
>>>> we're to believe your words below, you "don't care." Very strange  
>>>> indeed!
>>>>
>>>> Again, compare your thoughts on this matter with your views on  
>>>> the new anti-smoking law. Dan doesn't like smokey bars and as I  
>>>> noted there is lots of evidence that second hand is physically  
>>>> harmful but you still called Dan "selfish" (I think that was the  
>>>> word) for casting his vote. But somehow the fact that you don't  
>>>> have a fondness for other guys and have unsupported fantasies  
>>>> about the connection between gay marriage and "moral harms" that  
>>>> is a different story. Even though marriage is no big deal it is  
>>>> not wrong or selfish for you to do what you can to prevent gay  
>>>> weddings. (I'm assuming that you voted for the constitutional ban  
>>>> on gay marriage but if I'm wrong let me know.)
>>>>
>>>> Putting it all together, we're supposed to believe that when the  
>>>> local government bans smoking in the name of public health that  
>>>> we're one step closer to communism BUT the state is allowed to  
>>>> say who you can and can't marry. Very strange view!
>>>>
>>>> Say what you want but you are no fan of freedom -- unless by that  
>>>> you mean the freedom to do what you see fit. And yes I will bring  
>>>> this up whenever you or your radical conservative friends wave  
>>>> your flags and try to pretend that you think freedom is important.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 24, 2009, at 9:29 PM, "g. crabtree"  
>>>> <jampot at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If you had read my post a little more carefully you might have  
>>>>> noted that I did not ask anyone to explain why their actions are  
>>>>> not harmful to society. I have to justify nothing to anyone,  
>>>>> much less you and neither does Moe.  I have been asked for, and  
>>>>> given explanation for my views on this and numerous other topics  
>>>>> on this forum frequently over the years, that I should ask  
>>>>> someone else for the same is arrogance? When it comes to  
>>>>> inconsistency  (to say nothing of belligerence) I can't hold a  
>>>>> candle to you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just for the sake of mindless repetition, I have said repeatedly  
>>>>> that I don't care if homosexuals run out and have some sort of a  
>>>>> little ceremony and call themselves whatever they like. They can  
>>>>> go to an attorney, in the same way that my wife and I did, and  
>>>>> have drawn up the same wills, durable powers of attorney, living  
>>>>> wills, revocable living trusts, etc. that will in effect give  
>>>>> them all the same rights and privileges that my wife and I enjoy  
>>>>> and I'm fine with it. They in effect already have everything  
>>>>> they claim they want. And yet it's not enough, my simple and  
>>>>> apparently "arrogant" question is why? I don't wish Moe and her  
>>>>> pal any ill or unhappiness, I just want to know why they require  
>>>>> me  via the power of the state to play along before their lives  
>>>>> are complete. I don't think that this is an unreasonable  
>>>>> question to ask.
>>>>>
>>>>> g
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Joe Campbell
>>>>> To: the lockshop
>>>>> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>>> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 5:02 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Choices
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll have more to say about this later since I'm about to drive  
>>>>> home BUT can YOU explain why any of your actions are not harmful  
>>>>> to society? Do you think you have to justify them to me before  
>>>>> you're allowed to do anything? And is there something besides  
>>>>> your own arragance that makes you think folks owe you an  
>>>>> explanation?
>>>>>
>>>>> It seems strange to me that you could rip Dan a new one for  
>>>>> infringing on the "rights" for smokers, even though second hand  
>>>>> smoke has been proven to be harmful, yet you seem to believe  
>>>>> that folks may only marry if they prove to you that it is not  
>>>>> harmful!
>>>>>
>>>>> There is no better argument for the claim that personal  
>>>>> religious beliefs have no place when it comes to matters of the  
>>>>> law than you have illustrated with this recent pair of  
>>>>> inconsistent reasonings!
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 24, 2009, at 6:26 PM, "the lockshop" <lockshop at pull.twcbc.com 
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Since I've done that one before Mo, why not just for fun try a  
>>>>>> different approach. Why don't you explain to me all the myriad  
>>>>>> ways in which you being able to marry your partner is a benefit  
>>>>>> to me and/or society? Explain how it will be good for children  
>>>>>> (mine or yours, assuming you have any), how it will strenghten  
>>>>>> families, and how it won't cause large problems with regard to  
>>>>>> an already tottering social security system. Lay out how it  
>>>>>> won't set the stage for polygamous and polyandrous unions with  
>>>>>> all the inherent problems that will bring. Perhaps, if nothing  
>>>>>> else, explain to me what the major tangible benefits of it  
>>>>>> would even be for you and your partner.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All the things that you claim you long for can be achieved by  
>>>>>> other legal means. It is my understanding that most states  
>>>>>> allow pretty much all accomadation to homosexual couples as  
>>>>>> they do hetro except the title, why so adamant in your  
>>>>>> insistance for a change to the status quo?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> g
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: Mo Hendrickson
>>>>>> To: lockshop at pull.twcbc.com
>>>>>> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 1:11 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [Vision2020] Choices
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One question Gary.  I am hoping you can clarify this point for  
>>>>>> me...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How would my desire to marry my partner adversely affect you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your marriage, I am making an assumption that you are married,  
>>>>>> has no effect on me, so why would mine have any bearing on  
>>>>>> you?  Why do you advocate for denying me and my partner a  
>>>>>> legally recognized marriage?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not that I expect an answer but I thought I would put it out  
>>>>>> there.  I guess anybody who is opposed to same gender marriage  
>>>>>> could answer this question.  And so we don't head down the  
>>>>>> ridiculous path of marrying goats, I am defining same gender  
>>>>>> marriage as two consenting adults.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Mo
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: lockshop at pull.twcbc.com
>>>>>> To: philosopher.joe at gmail.com
>>>>>> Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 12:41:22 -0700
>>>>>> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] "Please do not continue to confuse  
>>>>>> people with facts."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another inconsequential argument. No valid marriages are being  
>>>>>> rendered "null and void" and I'm not suggesting that any be  
>>>>>> made so. I think that my views are quite consistant. I'm in  
>>>>>> favor of choice when the choice doesn't adversely affect others  
>>>>>> who have no way of escaping my decision.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What strikes me as strange is your notion that your personally  
>>>>>> concocted idea of freedoms should be celebrated and allowed to  
>>>>>> impact any and everyone with no regard for adverse impact.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> g
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: Joe Campbell
>>>>>> To: the lockshop
>>>>>> Cc: TIM RIGSBY ; <starbliss at gmail.com> ; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 11:43 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] "Please do not continue to confuse  
>>>>>> people with facts."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So you think that the state should not be forced to recognize  
>>>>>> marriage? If they were to say that conservatives with  
>>>>>> inconsistent views were not allowed to marry, and thus your  
>>>>>> marriage was null and void, that would be fine with you? Yipes!  
>>>>>> As I said, this is a strange kind of freedom!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And I'm not putting words in your mouth. I'm just pointing out  
>>>>>> the implications of your own words.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 24, 2009, at 1:55 PM, "the lockshop" <lockshop at pull.twcbc.com 
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is mis-stating my position really the only way you can think of  
>>>>>> to try and make a valid point?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As I have said repeatedly, I believe that if homosexuals can  
>>>>>> find someone who is willing to pronounce them man and man, wife  
>>>>>> and wife, or man, wife, wife, or any permutation thereof then  
>>>>>> swell, I wish them the best. What I am not in favor of is in my  
>>>>>> or the state being forced to recognize it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With regard to the abortion issue though I've really got to  
>>>>>> admit that you've got me caught on the horns of a delimma. How  
>>>>>> could I not see the similarity between making a choice that has  
>>>>>> a 1 in 15 chance of potentially damaging the  health of the  
>>>>>> person doing the choosing and making a decision that has a 100%  
>>>>>> chance of killing an innocent party?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In both of your examples the decision extends to others who  
>>>>>> will not be given a choice to participate. Bar patrons and  
>>>>>> employess do get to make an informed choice and as a result  
>>>>>> your comments seem a trifle lame.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> g
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: Joe Campbell
>>>>>> To: the lockshop
>>>>>> Cc: TIM RIGSBY ; <starbliss at gmail.com> ; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 9:29 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] "Please do not continue to confuse  
>>>>>> people with facts."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You don't even think that ADULTS are able to make decisions  
>>>>>> about whom to marry or whether pr not to have children, so stop  
>>>>>> pretending to respect a person's right to make decisions for  
>>>>>> him or herself!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 24, 2009, at 12:11 PM, "the lockshop" <lockshop at pull.twcbc.com 
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It would seem that you, Mr. Moffet, and our city council have a  
>>>>>> mighty low opinion of the intelligence of the patrons and  
>>>>>> employees of bars and taverns. I can't speak for your students  
>>>>>> but, I find it very difficult to believe that by the time a  
>>>>>> citizen reaches the age of 21 in the United States he hasn't  
>>>>>> heard the anti-smoking mantra to the point of nausea.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How lucky we are that there are people out there who will take  
>>>>>> it upon themselves to prevent emancipated Americans from making  
>>>>>> their own decisions with regard to the risks they take in life.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> g
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: TIM RIGSBY
>>>>>> To: starbliss at gmail.com ; vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 7:47 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] "Please do not continue to confuse  
>>>>>> people with facts."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would like to add the idea of this saying,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Either way Ted, you brought up some very valid points that tend  
>>>>>> to be forgotten when people discuss tobacco/smoking regulation  
>>>>>> and legislation.  What scares me as a Health Teacher is when I  
>>>>>> hear my junior high and high school aged students talking about  
>>>>>> how safe, they think anyway, Hookah bars are.  When asked if  
>>>>>> they would ever smoke cigarettes, they claim that they won't.   
>>>>>> Yet what these students don't realize is that they are actually  
>>>>>> smoking tobacco at the high school hookah parties.  What is  
>>>>>> even scarier is a lot of the parents think that hookah is a  
>>>>>> safe alternative as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The hookah bar closest to my house in Boise is constantly  
>>>>>> packed with young people all of the time.  Often times, other  
>>>>>> substances are being laced into the tobacco as well and these  
>>>>>> young people are unknowingly smoking illegal drugs along with  
>>>>>> their fruit and tobacco mixture.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I predict in the not so distant future, Boise and possibly the  
>>>>>> State Legislature will enact legislation to regulate/control  
>>>>>> these hookah establishments.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is a question to ponder.  By definition based on Idaho  
>>>>>> Code, what is a hookah bar categorized as?  A restaurant, a  
>>>>>> bar, a private club?  If it falls under the bar definition,  
>>>>>> then people under 21 should not be allowed in.  It seems as  
>>>>>> though hookah bars would fall into an undefined gray area of  
>>>>>> the Idaho Clean Indoor Air Act.  However, Moscow seems to have  
>>>>>> covered hookah bars in their recent ban of smoking, I could be  
>>>>>> wrong though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> " 'Politics is the art of controlling your environment.' That  
>>>>>> is one of the key things I learned in these years, and I  
>>>>>> learned it the hard way. Anybody who thinks that 'it doesn't  
>>>>>> matter who's President' has never been Drafted and sent off to  
>>>>>> fight and die in a vicious, stupid War on the other side of the  
>>>>>> World -- or been beaten and gassed by Police for trespassing on  
>>>>>> public property -- or been hounded by the IRS for purely  
>>>>>> political reasons -- or locked up in the Cook County Jail with  
>>>>>> a broken nose and no phone access and twelve perverts wanting  
>>>>>> to stomp your ass in the shower. That is when it matters who is  
>>>>>> President or Governor or Police Chief. That is when you will  
>>>>>> wish you had voted." - Hunter S. Thompson
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 21:39:45 -0700
>>>>>> From: starbliss at gmail.com
>>>>>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>>>> Subject: [Vision2020] "Please do not continue to confuse people  
>>>>>> with facts."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The "Off List" response referenced, from someone I regard as  
>>>>>> one of the most educated and honest Vision2020 participants,  
>>>>>> that I received to my post below on tobacco regulation, is in  
>>>>>> total what is stated in the subject heading of this post.  Wise  
>>>>>> words, no doubt, that I ignore at my own risk...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Notice there is limited or no discussion of some of the  
>>>>>> critical facts my post presented: that tobacco (nicotine) is a  
>>>>>> physically addictive drug, with underage tobacco addiction  
>>>>>> common, raising questions if whether adult "choice" is in  
>>>>>> effect regarding employees or consumers in tobacco related  
>>>>>> decisions; that tobacco is the leading cause of premature death  
>>>>>> (nuclear waste or energy or even nuclear weapons production is  
>>>>>> not even close as a cause of premature death); that other drugs  
>>>>>> doing less harm to society than tobacco are criminalized and  
>>>>>> prosecuted aggressively, involving civil and human rights  
>>>>>> violations, yet who among those opposing regulation of tobacco,  
>>>>>> will as aggressively advocate for these drugs to be managed by  
>>>>>> free choice and the marketplace, rather than a government "Big  
>>>>>> Brother?"  Some, perhaps... While there are others who should  
>>>>>> know better playing some on this list as fools, for the sake of  
>>>>>> debate, or political advantage, or popular image or whatever...  
>>>>>> Or they are as deluded as those they are debating with...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My response to the "Off List" comment discussed here:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ummm... OK, I guess... However, being an idealist in belief  
>>>>>> that expressing the truth is morally mandated (where did I get  
>>>>>> that dangerous idea?  I''ll end up in serious trouble!  Oh, I  
>>>>>> forgot, I already am...), I may not comply.  I recently read a  
>>>>>> variation of this same expression in James Lovelock's "Revenge  
>>>>>> of Gaia:" "Don't confuse me with the facts, my minds made up."   
>>>>>> Lovelock was referring to this mentality regarding the  
>>>>>> rejection of nuclear power by many in the environmental movement.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ted
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please do not continue to confuse people with facts.
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: Ted Moffett
>>>>>> To: Moscow Vision 2020
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 1:55 AM
>>>>>> Subject: [Vision2020] Tobacco: Targeting the Nation’s Lead 
>>>>>> ing Killer: Centers for Disease Control
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tobacco (nicotine) is a physically addictive drug.  Once  
>>>>>> addicted, "choice" becomes a problematic concept.  And many  
>>>>>> people become addicted while underage, encouraged to continue  
>>>>>> their addiction in bars, where cigarettes are often shared  
>>>>>> between customers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The fact tobacco is physically addictive is absent from the  
>>>>>> comments of many opposing the smoking ordinance, as are the  
>>>>>> facts regarding the magnitude of the damage.  Comparisons to  
>>>>>> other harmful behaviors are drawn (fatty food, etc.),  
>>>>>> suggesting that a slippery slope of regulation will lead to  
>>>>>> government control over too many aspects of life, but many of  
>>>>>> these behaviors do not involve a drug addiction.  Of course  
>>>>>> alcohol has dramatic negative impacts.  But workers in bars are  
>>>>>> not forced to drink the drinks the customers order, as they  
>>>>>> breathe the smoke of the customers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I find it incredible that the health of workers exposed to an  
>>>>>> addictive drug when they breathe in the workplace is approached  
>>>>>> so callously.  They can work elsewhere, it's announced with  
>>>>>> smug authority, as if in this economy workers have the luxury  
>>>>>> of choosing whatever job suits their fancy, rather than an  
>>>>>> urgency to take whatever work they can find.  If it was cocaine  
>>>>>> or heroin or methamphetamine that workers were exposed to, the  
>>>>>> attitude might be different.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Profits from exposing workers to addictive drugs in the  
>>>>>> workplace should be protected based on free market, free  
>>>>>> choice, adult responsibility?  If this is the logic, where are  
>>>>>> the protests against laws imposed on those selling cocaine,  
>>>>>> heroin or methamphetamine, et. al., to consenting adults, which  
>>>>>> can result in long prison sentences?  Let the free market  
>>>>>> decide!  Why stand in the way of profits and the free choice of  
>>>>>> adults?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If those opposing the smoking ordinance were consistent in  
>>>>>> their outrage against limits on the free market, their ideology  
>>>>>> might have more intellectual credibility.  Instead, the  
>>>>>> libertarianism proposed is inconsistent and conformist.  Or  
>>>>>> perhaps those opposed to the smoking ordinance will now protest  
>>>>>> that bars do not allow legal cocaine, heroin or methamphetamine  
>>>>>> use?  Think of the profits to be made!  And remember, tobacco  
>>>>>> prematurely kills more people than those three drugs combined...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If attempts were made to criminalize tobacco like cannabis is,  
>>>>>> resulting in prison sentences, home invasions, for sale or use,  
>>>>>> I would oppose this vehemently.  But an ordinance regulating  
>>>>>> smoking in bars does not stop any adult from legally using  
>>>>>> tobacco products in settings where they do not expose workers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If worker freedom of choice was a valid argument to justify the  
>>>>>> exposure of workers to tobacco smoke in bars, than OSHA could  
>>>>>> be mostly eliminated.  After all, if workers exposed to hazards  
>>>>>> monitored or banned by OSHA don't want to work with those  
>>>>>> risks, they can work elsewhere, as long as signs posted in the  
>>>>>> workplace inform them of the risks.  A "Big Brother" government  
>>>>>> bureaucracy gone.
>>>>>> --------------------------
>>>>>> http://www.cdc.gov/NCCDPHP/publications/aag/osh.htm
>>>>>> The Burden of Tobacco Use
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tobacco use is the single most preventable cause of disease,  
>>>>>> disability, and death in the United States. Each year, an  
>>>>>> estimated 443,000 people die prematurely from smoking or  
>>>>>> exposure to secondhand smoke, and another 8.6 million have a  
>>>>>> serious illness caused by smoking. For every person who dies  
>>>>>> from smoking, 20 more people suffer from at least one serious  
>>>>>> tobacco-related illness. Despite these risks, approximately  
>>>>>> 43.4 million U.S. adults smoke cigarettes. Smokeless tobacco,  
>>>>>> cigars, and pipes also have deadly consequences, including  
>>>>>> lung, larynx, esophageal, and oral cancers.
>>>>>> The harmful effects of smoking do not end with the smoker. More  
>>>>>> than 126 million nonsmoking Americans, including children and  
>>>>>> adults, are regularly exposed to secondhand smoke. Even brief  
>>>>>> exposure can be dangerous because nonsmokers inhale many of the  
>>>>>> same carcinogens and toxins in cigarette smoke as smokers.  
>>>>>> Secondhand smoke exposure causes serious disease and death,  
>>>>>> including heart disease and lung cancer in nonsmoking adults  
>>>>>> and sudden infant death syndrome, acute respiratory infections,  
>>>>>> ear problems, and more frequent and severe asthma attacks in  
>>>>>> children. Each year, primarily because of exposure to  
>>>>>> secondhand smoke, an estimated 3,000 nonsmoking Americans die  
>>>>>> of lung cancer, more than 46,000 (range: 22,700–69,600) di 
>>>>>> e of heart disease, and about 150,000–300,000 children you 
>>>>>> nger than 18 months have lower respiratory tract infections.
>>>>>> Coupled with this enormous health toll is the significant  
>>>>>> economic burden of tobacco use—more than $96 billion per y 
>>>>>> ear in medical expenditures and another $97 billion per ye 
>>>>>> ar resulting from lost productivity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [A text description of this graph is also available.]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Tobacco Use Epidemic Can Be Stopped
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A 2007 Institute of Medicine (IOM) report presented a blueprint  
>>>>>> for action to “reduce smoking so substantially that it is  
>>>>>> no longer a public health problem for our nation.” The two 
>>>>>> -pronged strategy for achieving this goal includes not onl 
>>>>>> y strengthening and fully implementing currently proven to 
>>>>>> bacco control measures, but also changing the regulatory l 
>>>>>> andscape to permit policy innovations. Foremost among the  
>>>>>> IOM recommendations is that each state should fund a compr 
>>>>>> ehensive tobacco control program at the level recommended  
>>>>>> by CDC in Best Practices for Comprehensive Tobacco Control 
>>>>>>  Programs–2007.
>>>>>> Evidence-based, statewide tobacco control programs that are  
>>>>>> comprehensive, sustained, and accountable have been shown to  
>>>>>> reduce smoking rates, tobacco-related deaths, and diseases  
>>>>>> caused by smoking. A comprehensive program is a coordinated  
>>>>>> effort to establish smoke-free policies and social norms, to  
>>>>>> promote and assist tobacco users to quit, and to prevent  
>>>>>> initiation of tobacco use. This approach combines educational,  
>>>>>> clinical, regulatory, economic, and social strategies.
>>>>>> Research has documented the effectiveness of laws and policies  
>>>>>> to protect the public from secondhand smoke exposure, promote  
>>>>>> cessation, and prevent initiation when they are applied in a  
>>>>>> comprehensive way. For example, states can increase the unit  
>>>>>> price of tobacco products; implement smoking bans through  
>>>>>> policies, regulations, and laws; provide insurance coverage of  
>>>>>> tobacco use treatment; and limit minors’ access to tobacco 
>>>>>>  products.
>>>>>> If the nation is to achieve the objectives outlined in Healthy  
>>>>>> People 2010, comprehensive, evidence-based approaches for  
>>>>>> preventing smoking initiation and increasing cessation need to  
>>>>>> be fully implemented.
>>>>>> CDC's Response
>>>>>>
>>>>>> CDC is the lead federal agency for tobacco control. CDC’s  
>>>>>> Office on Smoking and Health (OSH) provides national leade 
>>>>>> rship for a comprehensive, broad-based approach to reducin 
>>>>>> g tobacco use. A variety of government agencies, professio 
>>>>>> nal and voluntary organizations, and academic institutions 
>>>>>>  have joined together to advance this approach, which invo 
>>>>>> lves the following activities:
>>>>>> Preventing young people from starting to smoke.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Eliminating exposure to secondhand smoke.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Promoting quitting among young people and adults.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Identifying and eliminating tobacco-related health disparities.
>>>>>> Essential elements of this approach include state-based,  
>>>>>> community-based, and health system-based interventions;  
>>>>>> cessation services; counter marketing; policy development and  
>>>>>> implementation; surveillance; and evaluation. These activities  
>>>>>> target groups who are at highest risk for tobacco-related  
>>>>>> health problems.
>>>>>> -------------------------------------------
>>>>>> Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett
>>>>>>
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