[Vision2020] Crabtree once again defends racism (was blah, blah, blah)
Joe Campbell
philosopher.joe at gmail.com
Wed Jan 28 17:58:21 PST 2009
I'm not trying to pick a fight. Nor did I call you a racist. I just
find it curious that you keep putting your stamp of approval next to
comments that I and most sensible people consider to be racist. First
there was your defense of No Weatherman and then your recent defense
of comments by Rush.
The recent Rush comments, by the way, were similar to comments he made
about Donovan McNabb - that DM was not subject to criticism because he
was black. Those comments, if you remember, got Rush FIRED from espn.
You don't have a problem with the comments but enough people did that
he was FIRED.
It is hard to pass off my disgust for Rush's recent comments as some
kind of liberal bias in light of this history, these facts. And it is
equally hard to make sense of your support for Rush's comments in
light of this history, these facts.
Lastly, I like how you brush off my suggestion that you characterize
all liberals as holding the same stupid view but you do it again
below! I never said anything negative about Soul, or Williams, or
Steele. I never said anything about any of them. I don't even know who
some of them are!
But somewhere, somewhen, some stupid liberal made some stupid comment
about one of them and the rest of us have to pay - because we're all
the same.
And somehow this all explains why a comment made by Rush, which would
have gotten him fired were he still on espn, isn't as racist as common
sense suggests.
Look, maybe you're not a racist, Gary. But you sure sound like one.
Joe Campbell
On Jan 28, 2009, at 7:43 AM, "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
wrote:
> First line, irrelevant babble, no response required.
>
> Second, same as first. Yawn.
>
> Third. Like calling someone a nazi when your argument is
> floundering, hurl out the "racist" appellation when you're desperate
> to make some sort of a point and nothing else is sticking. If you
> would like to continue down this woeful road, why not explain for me
> and the rest of the readership what, exactly, is racist about not
> being impressed (or distressed) by our new leaders fathers skin
> color? How does it make BHO's policy's divinely inspired while the
> ideas put forth by Thomas Soul, Walter Williams, and Michael Steele
> something to be disregarded as irrelevant and beneath contempt? And
> finally, what the hell do your pals pockets have to do with
> anything? Are they packed full of moon beams and fairy dust?
>
> g
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joe Campbell
> To: Saundra Lund
> Cc: g. crabtree ; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Contradictory Crabtree (was RE: Say What?)
>
> Sandra, no sense in letting the facts get in the way of the radical
> right rhetoric. Those who disagree are all communists, God-haters.
>
> On the other hand, we're all a team, accepting all of the same
> views. How else could the Bush ideology win, unless it was black
> (liberalism, communism, atheism) against white (truth, justice, and
> the American way)?
>
> And Tom's original post about Rush's racist comments - which
> Crabtree supported without a blink, just like he supported the
> racist rants of No Weatherman - is smoothly swept under the rug.
> What's a little racism when what is at stake is God Himself? Or the
> pockets of my friends?
>
> Joe Campbell
>
> On Jan 27, 2009, at 4:33 PM, "Saundra Lund"
> <sslund_2007 at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> Yet again, what an enormous crock, but that’s what many of us have
>> come to expect from you in this forum J
>>
>>
>> And, how wrong you are, as usual. As everyone who knows me knows,
>> Obama wasn’t “my” candidate, let alone any kind of deity to
>> me. I did, however, vote for the candidate out of the choices we
>> wound up with who I thought would do the best job, a decision a cl
>> ear majority agreed with. So take your sour grapes and go make so
>> me more whine – continue to be part of the problem rather than par
>> t of a solution . . . that’s what you’re good at.
>>
>>
>> It’s not surprising at all to me – nor should it be to any of us
>> here -- that you don’t bother to even try to correct what you say
>> I got wrong in summarizing the positions you’ve taken here. It wo
>> uld be pretty difficult for you, what with the V2020 archives bein
>> g open for all J
>>
>>
>>
>> Saundra Lund
>>
>> Moscow, ID
>>
>>
>> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people
>> to do nothing.
>>
>> ~ Edmund Burke
>>
>>
>> ***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2009 through
>> life plus 70 years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt,
>> or reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum without the express
>> written permission of the author.*****
>>
>>
>> From: g. crabtree [mailto:jampot at roadrunner.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:42 AM
>> To: Saundra Lund; vision2020 at moscow.com
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Contradictory Crabtree (was RE: Say What?)
>>
>>
>> Ms. Lund,
>>
>>
>> I'm not sure exactly how pointing out that I will support your
>> new god when (if) I see him doing good for the country and oppose
>> him when he's not qualifies as whining but, I guess it's in the ear
>> of the termagant. I defer to your mastery as eight continuous years
>> of effort have, without a doubt, left you well practiced on the
>> matter.
>>
>>
>> I find it highly amusing and not a small bit refreshing that you
>> feel comfortable enough in your creative writing style to forge
>> ahead without feeling even the slightest need to anchor yourself to
>> anything resembling a fact. The errors in your brief communication
>> are many, and I'm just sure that you'll forgive me if (what with
>> life being short and all) I don't bother to enumerate them. Lets
>> face it, as one of The Chosen Ones most fervent followers it's
>> clear that you have gotten beyond the need for accuracy and reason
>> where it comes to your cute little school girl affaire d'coeur with
>> your freshly minted deity. My only request would be that if you are
>> going to do the other members of this little electronic
>> community the service of pointing out that evil "Crabtree's"
>> position on any given topic that you provide a cite so that the
>> others can make a reasonable distinction between my actual stand on
>> any given matter and what is a fantasy fueled by your freshly found
>> religious fervor.
>>
>>
>> My most heart felt thanks in advance,
>>
>> g
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: Saundra Lund
>>
>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 9:31 PM
>>
>> Subject: [Vision2020] Contradictory Crabtree (was RE: Say What?)
>>
>>
>> LOL – let the whining begin!
>>
>>
>> Gary Crabtree wrote:
>>
>> “As I said previously, if there is an issue that "our" president s
>> hould come up with that I think makes America a better, safer, or
>> less restrictive place to live, I'll support him.”
>>
>>
>> Note the quotation marks Crabtree uses – he’s clearly wanting to
>> continue with the divisiveness that doomed the election for the GOP.
>>
>>
>> Of course, he contradicts himself here:
>>
>> “If BHO plans on making good on his campaign promises with regard
>> to abortion, education, taxes, health care, the second amendment,
>> the global warming hoax, and the war on terror, then I suspect a h
>> uge portion of the 53 million American's who didn't vote fo
>> r him (once) hope he fails miserably, myself included.”
>>
>>
>> So, Crabtree only wants a less restrictive place to live if it
>> suits his notion of a “less restrictive place to live” –
>> he’s against reproductive rights, even for rape victims. Let’s
>> keep them thar women broodmares! Remember, he’s a staunch support
>> er of misogynistic “conscience laws” that enable pharmacists to
>> refuse to dispense contraceptives, emergency or otherwise, which w
>> ould certainly make America a much more restrictive place for wome
>> n to live. The broken health care system folks like Crabtree want
>> to cling to has made America a much more restrictive place to liv
>> e for many regular hardworking Americans – he’s seemingly proud
>> of the fact that we are the only industrialized nation where peopl
>> e lose their homes due to unconscionable health care costs. The S
>> econd Amendment our founding fathers gave us isn’t good enough for
>> Crabtree and his ilk – they want a Second Amendment on Steroids.
>> He’s content that the War on Terror has lead to the terrorization
>> of US citizens through the erosion of our guaranteed civil libert
>> ies and put us on a path to a police state – that sure seems like
>> a much more restrictive place to live to me, and that’s without ev
>> en getting into the shame of torture and denial of due process to
>> suspects. He’s pleased with a tax system that unfairly burdens th
>> e least among us while providing nothing but loopholes ripe for ex
>> ploitation by the greedy amongst us, especially those who benefit
>> from the special interest lobbying they fund. Education – his s
>> olution is I don’t know what, but it would likely look simi
>> lar – and have results similar to – the deregulation that’s
>> caused the financial crisis that came crashing down around Bush’s
>> ears. God only knows what nonsense fills his head about global wa
>> rming – it would appear his understanding of science is limited to
>> the right-wing whack jobs who flunked science.
>>
>>
>> Fortunately, the election was a resounding rejection of those like
>> Crabtree who want keep doing things that don’t work. And,
>> I’m sure we have his sore loser whining to look forward to for the
>> next four years. After all, this was a legitimate win for Obama,
>> which must make the win that much more difficult to swallow J
>>
>>
>>
>> Saundra Lund
>>
>> Moscow, ID
>>
>>
>> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people
>> to do nothing.
>>
>> ~ Edmund Burke
>>
>>
>> ***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2008 through
>> life plus 70 years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt,
>> or reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum without the express
>> written permission of the author.*****
>>
>>
>> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
>> ] On Behalf Of g. crabtree
>> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 12:38 PM
>> To: Chasuk
>> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?
>>
>>
>> I guess that it all depends on which side of the Kool-Aid jug you
>> sit on. I can't believe that you can say with a straight face that
>> what you might find on drudge or the freep is as over the top as
>> some of the mindless, howling at the moon, wackiness found at kos
>> or huffington.
>>
>>
>> As I said previously, if there is an issue that "our" president
>> should come up with that I think makes America a better, safer, or
>> less restrictive place to live, I'll support him. On everything
>> else I'll fight him to the best of my ability and hope for his
>> catastrophic failure. Since I am unaware of a single issue with
>> which I am in agreement major policy wise, I don't think that there
>> will be much to support. If every mega leftist measure your hero
>> puts forward is an abject failure it will hopefully discredit the
>> ultra liberal wing of the democrat party and hasten the rise of a
>> truly conservative candidate. All to the greater glory of our
>> republic, in my opinion.
>>
>>
>> g
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: "Chasuk" <chasuk at gmail.com>
>>
>> To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
>>
>> Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>; "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
>>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 11:43 AM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?
>>
>>
>> > On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 06:51, g. crabtree
>> <jampot at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Remember how your side wished President GW the best? Sort of
>> like that but
>> >> without the shrillness and childish demonstrations.
>> >
>> > Sorry, I read a lot of blogs and new sites, across the political
>> > spectrum -- including http://drudgereport.com,
>> > http://www.freerepublic.com, and http://worldnetdaily.com -- and
>> > "shrill" and "childish" are words that much more accurately
>> describe
>> > the conservative side of things. Other accurate words would be
>> > inarticulate and ungrammatical.
>> >
>> > And how about wishing that Obama simply fail to successfully
>> implement
>> > those policies and agendas with which you disagree? As far as
>> > conservatives go, you are the voice of reason on this forum, Gary.
>> > You really don't strike me as subscribing to the
>> > cut-off-the-nose-to-spite-the-face philosophy.
>> >
>>
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