[Vision2020] He's Baaaaaaack . . .
Joe Campbell
philosopher.joe at gmail.com
Mon Jan 19 07:13:42 PST 2009
Suppose someone used a UI website for the "wrong" reasons. What is the
cost in actual dollars to the tax payer? If you can't put a number on
it it is not clear what the worry is about.
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On Jan 18, 2009, at 9:23 PM, Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
> wrote:
> Keely,
>
> It might be that some members of Christ Church feel they have been
> unjustly attacked with the illegal and improper use of UI property
> by some of its employees and want to prevent it from occurring
> again. Which I think is understandable. Nobody wants their taxes to
> be used against them in biased way. There is lots of evidence that
> UI employees have used UI property improperly for personal use. So
> it would be wise to start there, in my opinion.
>
> I don't agree with this avenue to stop this behavior though. In part
> because even if true, it isn't costly or inconvenient to move off
> UI's network and get the same services for free or easy somewhere
> else. And since little financial harm was done to the person filing
> the complaint, it won't get anyone any money except the lawyers.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Donovan
>
> --- On Sun, 1/18/09, keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com> wrote:
> From: keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] He's Baaaaaaack . . .
> To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com, godshatter at yahoo.com,
> josephc at wsu.edu
> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 2:46 PM
>
> The great WalMart debate, Donovan, is not likely to be solved here
> on Vision, and certainly not by me. My point was that it seems an
> odd subject for such intense Christ Church involvement and enthusiasm.
>
> Keely
> http://keely-prevailingwinds.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
>
> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 13:30:00 -0800
> From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] He's Baaaaaaack . . .
> To: godshatter at yahoo.com; josephc at wsu.edu; kjajmix1 at msn.com
> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>
> Keely,
>
> I think a lot of people like Wal-Mart because it provides jobs to
> people that have a hard time getting jobs elsewhere. It provides
> disposable goods at a price more affordable to people with lower
> incomes. And they like the idea of free enterprise.
>
> I understand many of people's objections to Wal-Mart. I just don't
> understand why the people that object to Wal-Mart cannot understand
> they do good too, and are not lot a whole different than other super
> chain stores in the country. They are just bigger and cheaper, most
> the time.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Donovan
>
> --- On Sun, 1/18/09, keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com> wrote:
> From: keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] He's Baaaaaaack . . .
> To: godshatter at yahoo.com, josephc at wsu.edu
> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 12:39 PM
>
> Isn't the main question here something along the lines of "why in
> God's name would a church organization's leadership be so intensely
> drawn to a Super WalMart store on the Palouse?"
>
> Or, conversely, "Why in God's name would a church organization's
> leadership, in their desire to welcome a Super WalMart, be so
> aggressively snotty toward those who disagree?"
>
> Keely
> http://keely-prevailingwinds.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
>
> > Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 19:44:58 -0800
> > From: godshatter at yahoo.com
> > To: josephc at wsu.edu
> > CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] He's Baaaaaaack . . .
> >
> > The current nosuperwalmart.com site doesn't appear to be hosted by
> the U
> > of I. I was wondering if there was an employee page that preceded
> the
> > domain name or something.
> >
> > If the University is not hosting the site, then the complaint must
> be
> > that an employee of the University worked on it. If they were told
> to
> > work on it as normal performance of their duties, that's one
> thing. If
> > the employee was working on it using University computers and/or
> during
> > paid work hours, then at best you have an employee breaking the
> rules
> > of computer usage at the U of I. That does not make the University
> or
> > the State liable for what they were working on. If they are doing
> it on
> > their own time, they have every right to do so.
> >
> > So, does this suit have merit? Any official hosting of the site, or
> > employees being paid specifically to work on it by the University
> or the
> > State?
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > Joseph Campbell wrote:
> > > Get a clue. Check the source.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 1/17/09 5:59 PM, "Paul Rumelhart" <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >> I've never seen the nosuperwalmart site. What are the facts?
> Was it an
> > >> official UI webpage? Was it the personal page of a UI employee?
> In the
> > >> first case, they have a case. In the second, the UI is acting
> more as
> > >> an ISP hosting personal content. I don't know the law there,
> but I
> > >> doubt it's as cut-and-dried.
> > >>
> > >> What was the URL to the page?
> > >>
> > >> Paul
> > >>
> > >> g. crabtree wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> I wish Mr. Glasebrook the very best in this Endeavour. The U
> of I was
> > >>> completely remiss in allowing taxpayer resources to be
> squandered promoting
> > >>> these causes and public officials are negligent in their
> duties when not
> > >>> taking citizen complaints seriously.
> > >>>
> > >>> g
> > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>> From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
> > >>> To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > >>> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 10:00 AM
> > >>> Subject: [Vision2020] He's Baaaaaaack . . .
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> Remember Dave Glasebrook?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> In case you don't, he's the carrothead on the left . . .
> > >>>>
> > >>>> http://www.tomandrodna.com/Photos/102907_Glasebrook.jpg
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Well, he (for lack of a more appropriate pronoun) is back.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Courtesy of the Moscow-Pullman Daily News.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Man files petition requesting action from governor on
> allegations against
> > >>>> UI
> > >>>>
> > >>>> A Moscow resident has taken legal action against Idaho Gov.
> C.L. "Butch"
> > >>>> Otter, claiming the governor "failed to faithfully enforce
> Idaho law."
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Dave Glasebrook filed a petition for a writ of mandate
> against Otter in
> > >>>> Latah County District Court on Monday.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The document states Otter "breached public faith" and
> Glasebrook's civil
> > >>>> rights by failing to investigate Glasebrook's claims that the
> University
> > >>>> of Idaho covered up illegal computer use over the past
> several years.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Glasebrook claims the UI allowed an employee to run the Web
> site
> > >>>> NoSuperWalMart.com using UI computer and phone systems. He
> also claims the
> > >>>> UI allowed people "to send e-mail and post messages
> containing political,
> > >>>> defamatory, threatening or otherwise prohibited activity."
> The claim is
> > >>>> primarily related to Internet postings regarding the Moscow
> School
> > >>>> District's 2007 levy election.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Glasebrook's petition also asserts the UI violated open
> records law by not
> > >>>> releasing certain employee and student e-mails he requested
> related to the
> > >>>> Web site and postings.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The petition requests Otter order Idaho Attorney General
> Lawrence Wasden
> > >>>> to subpoena information about NoSuperWalmart.com, order the
> UI to release
> > >>>> e-mail and electronic records to Glasebrook and assign an
> Idaho State
> > >>>> Police officer to retrieve material from UI computers.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Glasebrook's final request is for Otter to appear before the
> court
> > >>>> to "explain in detail why he does not want to follow the laws
> he is sworn
> > >>>> to uphold and why he does not want to uphold (Glasebrook's)
> civil rights
> > >>>> and liberties."
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Records attached to the petition show Glasebrook has been
> pursuing action
> > >>>> against the UI since 2007. He has requested assistance from
> Otter's
> > >>>> office, Idaho State Supreme Court Chief Justice Daniel
> Eismann, Latah
> > >>>> County Prosecuting Attorney Bill Thompson, Moscow Prosecuting
> Attorney Rod
> > >>>> Hall and former UI President Tim White.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Now, where did I put those public records requests?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Great! Here they are.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Stay tuned, Moscow. More to follow . . .
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Tom Hansen
> > >>>> Moscow, Idaho
> > >>>>
> > >>>> "For a lapsed Lutheran born-again Buddhist pan-Humanist
> Universalist
> > >>>> Unitarian Wiccan Agnostic like myself there's really no
> reason ever to go
> > >>>> to work."
> > >>>>
> > >>>> - Roy Zimmerman
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
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