[Vision2020] Snow problems

Sat Jan 10 13:37:09 PST 2009

Saundra writes,

"Donovan’s attitude is symptomatic of the problem."

AND

"Yesterday I saw an older gentleman carrying what looked like grocery bags trying to maintain his footing on icy sidewalks in the A Street area"

And Saundra, I think your attitude is symptomatic of the problem. We cannot stop the ice and snow. But we can stop the car and ask an old man or woman walking on it for a ride. If they were walking, they could not have been that far of a drive. If you don't have time to take five minutes to drive the man home, obviously others don't have the 2 hours everyday to remove ice from the sidewalks.

It is winter in Idaho, cannot handle it? Go to California. 

Best Regards,

Donovan

--- On Sat, 1/10/09, Saundra Lund <sslund_2007 at verizon.net> wrote:

From: Saundra Lund <sslund_2007 at verizon.net>
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Snow problems
To: "'Bev Bafus'" <bevbafus at verizon.net>, donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 12:39 PM

Donovan’s attitude is symptomatic of the problem.  Other places manage to appropriately handle the situation, so I honestly don’t know what’s wrong with people here that we can’t.  There are still FAR TOO MANY SIDEWALKS that are covered in compact ice that hasn’t melted.  This is DAYS after the last snow.  Bev, I agree with you about the problem areas you specified, but there are other areas just as problematic forcing pedestrians to take their lives into their hands either by walking in already too narrow streets or trying to negotiate icy sidewalks.

Yesterday I saw an older gentleman carrying what looked like grocery bags trying to maintain his footing on icy sidewalks in the A Street area – he caught my eye so then I looked at the sidewalks he was heading towards and saw that stretches were just plain treacherous.  Kids were out playing in that specific neighborhood so people are in town, yet many of the sidewalks were in deplorably icy conditions.  I saw the same thing in other parts of town, including the central business district Thursday night.  Many, if not most, sidewalks downtown and in residential districts have been appropriately shoveled throughout the tough conditions, which makes it all the more obvious that some people just don’t give a rip.

And, to the 20-something dude with his friends helping him carry his brand new big screen TV into the house while the sidewalk in front of his house has consistently been one of the worst I’ve seen, SHAME ON YOU!!!

Saundra Lund
Moscow, ID

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing.
~ Edmund Burke

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From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Bev Bafus
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 8:54 AM
To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Snow problems

Donovan, I'm not talking about just any sidewalk, or snow in general.  I'm talking about two specific areas that are an extreme danger zone.

There is no public transit in these areas.  There are people who have to walk.  They have boots.  They are walking, sometimes in a foot of slush.  But why should they have to walk in the same lane as speeding chip trucks because adjacent landowners are too lazy to clean their sidewalks?

One of these landowners IS the City of Moscow.

Thanks

Bev

-----Original Message-----
From: Donovan Arnold [mailto:donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 11:57 PM
To: blambert at ci.moscow.id.us; dcarscallen at ci.moscow.id.us; jweber at moscow.com; tlamar at moscow.com; wmsteed at aol.com; wkrauss at ci.moscow.id.us; nchaney at ci.moscow.id.us; Bev Bafus
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Snow problems

I don't mean to sound insensitive; 

But this is Idaho. It snows. It snows a lot. If snow is such a burden for people that they feel a need to sue people over not being available 24/7 to remove it from every inch of city property that within 50 ft of them, they should consider a move South. 

People, it snows, don't like it, complain to God. If someone, or a business is being really neglectful in snow and ice removal, ask them nicely to fix it, if they don't, write a letter to the editor to complain. 

Except for disabled parking in government and private businesses, people should just realize it snows, and if you are unsure footed like me, you are probably going to fall. It is just the way it is, please stop with endless complaining about snow in Idaho in the winter, it is just a fact of life, love your neighbor, it isn't his/her fault, and let us move on. 

Go buy a pair of boots with good traction, or stay home. 

Best Regards,

Donovan

--- On Fri, 1/9/09, Bev Bafus <bevbafus at verizon.net> wrote:

From: Bev Bafus <bevbafus at verizon.net>
Subject: [Vision2020] Snow problems
To: blambert at ci.moscow.id.us, dcarscallen at ci.moscow.id.us, jweber at moscow.com, tlamar at moscow.com, wmsteed at aol.com, wkrauss at ci.moscow.id.us, nchaney at ci.moscow.id.us
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
Date: Friday, January 9, 2009, 12:49 PMNow that we have a break in the weather, would it be possible for there tobe some sort of effort to clean the sidewalks lining Highway 95 north ofRosauer's and south of A & W?  People are still walking in the highway.  There is also snow blocking parts or all of lanes in this area.  Combine the blocked lanes with lack of sidewalks, people walking in thehighway and heavy truck traffic, and you have a recipe for a major disaster.  Thank you,Bev Bafus  ======================================================= List services made available by First Step Internet,  serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.                  http://www.fsr.net                                 mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com=======================================================

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