On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 22:50, Joseph Campbell <josephc at wsu.edu> wrote: > So if Mr. X killed Mr. Y and I said that Mr. X > was bad, would you make a similar reply? > "Mr. X was not the first person to murder ..." No. On the other hand, if you said that Mr. X had killed Mr. Y in the Conservatory with a wrench... Never mind.