[Vision2020] Why I (don't) Support Gay Marriage

[the lockshop]

"You can marry the one adult you want to marry but Mo cannot. That is a clear double-standard. How is that not telling people who to marry?"

At best this would be an example of telling people who NOT to marry not who they must. In reality any group of people can get together for the ritual of their choice and refer to themselves however they wish. You just want the next step. Forcing the rest of society to acknowlage and support the fantasy. Miss Hendrickson has exactly the same right in this regard as I do.

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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Joe Campbell 
  To: the lockshop 
  Cc: g. crabtree ; <vision2020 at moscow.com> 
  Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 9:50 AM
  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Why I (don't) Support Gay Marriage


  You keep bringing up the fact that something is or is not legal as justification that it should or should not be legal. By that light, you now have no complaint to offer in the smoking case. It IS illegal to smoke in bars, so it should be! We're not deriving people of rights; we're just following the law.


  You can marry the one adult you want to marry but Mo cannot. That is a clear double-standard. How is that not telling people who to marry?


  As I said, it is a weird kind of political view that thinks smoking in public can't be regulated by the government but marriage should be. And whatever it is it is not pro-freedom.

  Sent from my iPhone

  On Aug 14, 2009, at 8:11 AM, "the lockshop" <lockshop at pull.twcbc.com> wrote:


    That you don't understand comes as no big suprise. In the first instance an existing right, the right to indulge in a legal activity on private property, is stripped away at the insistance of a small group of zealots (I recall no mention of communist influence on my part) In the second, the government is NOT taking anything away. (from a slightly different small group of zealots) They are also NOT telling anyone who to marry. To claim they are is, as usual, silly, blatantly false, and makes no sense.

    g
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Joe Campbell 
      To: g. crabtree 
      Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com> 
      Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 7:12 AM
      Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Why I Support Gay Marriage


      I don't understand someone who gets worked up because the local government won't allow smoking in bars, who thinks that that is some kind of communist influence, but who thinks the government CAN tell folks who to marry, and anyone who says otherwise is acting like a child. It makes no sense.


      Your pal, Joe 

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      On Aug 14, 2009, at 6:51 AM, "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com> wrote:


        "Are you suggesting that if one doesn't have and answer to this question, then the state need not allow the marriage?"

        No. I was suggesting that it would make for a more useful and interesting discussion than falling back on the same tactic that most 5 year olds use when told no. "But I want it!" and "That's no fair" followed by a stomp of the foot quickly become tedious and really do very little to further the conversation.

        g
          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: Joe Campbell 
          To: g. crabtree 
          Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com> 
          Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 6:22 AM
          Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Why I Support Gay Marriage


          Gary wrote: "Why don't you explain to me all the myriad ways in which you being able to marry your partner is a benefit to me and/or society?" Can you answer this question, Gary? Are you suggesting that if one doesn't have and answer to this question, then the state need not allow the marriage? Should this be the standard for what the state allows and what it doesn't e.g. whether it is a benefit to society? Funny this didn't come up in the smoking issue!


          Your pal, Joe

          Sent from my iPhone

          On Aug 13, 2009, at 7:14 PM, "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com> wrote:


            Why don't you explain to me all the myriad ways in which you being able to marry your partner is a benefit to me and/or society?"


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