[Vision2020] 'Death to Obama' Sign Holder Detained

[Kai Eiselein]

Carrying a sign "wishing" death upon someone at a political event is a far cry from making a statement such as, "I am going to kill the president. It is protected speech.

 

Like the old saying goes, "Sh*t in one hand, wish in the other and see which one gets filled faster.

 

 

> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:11:58 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] 'Death to Obama' Sign Holder Detained
> From: thansen at moscow.com
> To: bear at moscow.com
> CC: fotopro63 at hotmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
> 
> Then . . . you feel it to be constitutionally sound to threaten the lives
> of not only the president, but the president's spouse and children in a
> public venue?
> 
> This is NOT a general statement, like "All right-wing pukes should die". 
> These are threats to specific individuals.
> 
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
> 
> 
> 
> > Kai / Tom,
> >
> > I'm on the side that says is IS within his rights to say it. ALSO, I
> > disagree with the SOB, but I'm willing to defend his right to say it.
> > Only when we can stand up and defend the right of some one that gets
> > up and says something we find morally aborant, can we really say we
> > have free speech.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Wayne
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Aug 13, 2009, at 5:48 PM, Kai Eiselein wrote:
> >
> >> As a matter of fact, I do believe he was within his First Amendment
> >> rights. (Note: I DO NOT agree with the sign.)
> >>
> >>
> >> THREATS AGAINST PRESIDENT
> >> 18 USC 871, makes it a Federal crime or offense for anyone to
> >> willfully make a true threat to injure or kill the President of the
> >> United States.
> >>
> >> A person can be found guilty of that offense only if all of the
> >> following facts are proved beyond a reasonable doubt:
> >>
> >> First: That the person uttered words alleged to be the threat
> >> against the President;
> >>
> >> Second: That the person understood and meant the words he used as a
> >> true threat; and
> >>
> >> Third: That the person uttered the words knowingly and willfully.
> >>
> >> A "threat" is a statement expressing an intention to kill or injure
> >> the President; and a "true threat" means a serious threat as
> >> distinguished from words used as mere political argument, idle or
> >> careless talk, or something said in a joking manner.
> >>
> >> The essence of the offense is the knowing and willful making of a
> >> true threat. So, if it is proved beyond a reasonable doubt that the
> >> person knowingly made a true threat against the President, willfully
> >> intending that it be understood by others as a serious threat, then
> >> the offense is complete; it is not necessary to prove that the
> >> person actually intended to carry out the threat.
> >>
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> "The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects it to change
> and the Realist adjusts his sails."
> 
> - Unknown
> 
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