[Vision2020] Harsh Interrogations

Sunil Ramalingam sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
Wed Apr 29 11:14:46 PDT 2009


Roger, 

If we are a nation of laws, then surely you agree that people who break the law should be held accountable by being prosecuted for their crimes.

Yes?

Sunil

> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 11:01:33 -0700
> From: lfalen at turbonet.com
> To: sunilramalingam at hotmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Harsh Interrogations
> 
> Yes we are a nation of laws. I do not "gladly" advocate torture. It is just that I place saving innocent people from mass killing at a higher level if those are the choices.
> Roger
> -----Original message-----
> From: Sunil Ramalingam sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 12:55:08 -0700
> To: vision 2020 vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Harsh Interrogations
> 
> > 
> > Roger,
> > 
> > Are we a nation of laws?
> > 
> > Yes or no.
> > 
> > If you say 'Yes,' which laws justify the use of torture you so gladly advocate?
> > 
> > sunil
> > 
> > > Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 12:01:33 -0700
> > > From: lfalen at turbonet.com
> > > To: sunilramalingam at hotmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Harsh Interrogations
> > > 
> > > I am saying that waterboarding produces no lasting physical harm and provides information that saves lives. It is a matter of self defense.
> > > I could not reply directly to your pervious post. Can you verify that any of the abuses described in the the FBI report that Andreas posted were authorised by a higher authority? If not you just want to believe the worst. I am sick of these unsubstantiated accusations. Do a Warren Commission style investigation and put an end to it.
> > > Roger
> > > 
> > > -----Original message-----
> > > From: Sunil Ramalingam sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
> > > Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 10:52:07 -0700
> > > To: vision 2020 vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Harsh Interrogations
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > What's the difference?  Are you saying torture is legal and physical mutilation isn't?  That certainly wasn't part of the prior discussion.
> > > > 
> > > > It's illegal, it's wrong.  We managed to defend ourselves in World War Two without the President issuing orders allowing torture.  
> > > > 
> > > > Are you saying we should have authorized torture then?
> > > > 
> > > > You are defending the indefensible.  I can't understand why.
> > > > 
> > > > Sunil
> > > > 
> > > > > Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 10:49:30 -0700
> > > > > From: lfalen at turbonet.com
> > > > > To: sunilramalingam at hotmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Harsh Interrogations
> > > > > 
> > > > > I am well aware of Hitchen,s opinion.  As I said before it may torture but it does not raise to the level to physical mutilation.
> > > > > Self defense is a basic right. To not do so is suicidal.
> > > > > Roger
> > > > > 
> > > > > -----Original message-----
> > > > > From: Sunil Ramalingam sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
> > > > > Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:51:02 -0700
> > > > > To: vision 2020 vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Harsh Interrogations
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Roger,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The only people claiming that whether waterboarding is torture is open for debate are people trying to defend the practice. It's torture, plain and simple.  You referred to Hitchens. He called it torture after he went through it. Here's a link to an article he wrote about it:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/08/hitchens200808
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I don't know how you can defend it or the use of other torture techniques. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Sunil
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 10:48:50 -0700
> > > > > > > From: lfalen at turbonet.com
> > > > > > > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > > > > > Subject: [Vision2020] Harsh Interrogations
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > All
> > > > > > > Looks like you have all been busy since I was last on here.
> > > > > > > The reports sited by Andreas do not gel with those I have reported on here previously.
> > > > > > > Every one should be opposed to torture for tortures sake or for sadistic pleasure(Abu Ghraib).
> > > > > > > Whether water boarding is torture or not is open to question. In any case it does not rise to the level of pulling  out finger nails or pulling off arms. It it did ,I do not think that Oliver North and Christopher Hitckens would have submitted to it.
> > > > > > > Any so called enhanced interrogations should be used sparingly. It should only be used in those cases where it might prevent a major attack.  It should never be a routine practice of the police force or for that matter of the military.
> > > > > > > Tom has relatives in L.A. He might change his mind if there were all wiped out by an attack on L.A. that could have been prevented. 
> > > > > > > Roger
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