[Vision2020] State Faculty Union Responds to Financial Crisis

lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
Wed Apr 29 10:34:35 PDT 2009 

The things to consider on furloughs are: Can you make it with out a pay check if you can't find a fill in job and are you eligible for unemployment if you take a furlough? If you can not make your payments then it would no be a viable option. If you can make it financially then a furlough might be preferable to a pay cut.
Roger 
-----Original message-----
From: "Tom Hansen" thansen at moscow.com
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:53:04 -0700
To: "lfalen" lfalen at turbonet.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] State Faculty Union Responds to Financial Crisis

> I would be more than willing to take a pay cut (including my military retirement pension) if it
> meant saving the job and keeping food on the dinner table of another.
> 
> But, then, I guess that I just ain's as self-serving as some.
> 
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
> 
> > Saundra
> > I would be on the fence about furloughs, but agree with your last two paragraphs.
> > Roger
> > -----Original message-----
> > From: "Saundra Lund" sslund_2007 at verizon.net
> > Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 09:54:56 -0700
> > To: "'Joe Campbell'" philosopher.joe at gmail.com, "'Dickow'" dickow at turbonet.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] State Faculty Union Responds to Financial Crisis
> >
> >> I thought it was an excellent post as well . . . I had the privilege of
> >> meeting Mr. Dickow last night for the first time & told him so in person.
> >>
> >> I also have a question:  will the new UI president also be taking a pay cut?
> >> If not, then I see why anyone should have to take one.
> >>
> >> I have another question as well:  a couple of friends I have who are staff
> >> members at UI are far more in favor of furloughs than pay cuts to keep
> >> anyone from being fired.  One friend explained it as a pay cut is going to
> >> be a major hardship on many whether it comes from an actual pay cut or
> >> furlough, but at least with mandatory furloughs, you get something in
> >> return:  some free time and the opportunity to look for a little part-time
> >> gig to make up for the reduced pay from working fewer hours.  She said
> >> that's what she did the last time to keep her head above water.  I'm
> >> wondering what others think about furloughs instead of pay cuts?
> >>
> >> And, I have a comment as well.  I think it truly admirable that so many are
> >> willing to take pay cuts to save the jobs of others in the university
> >> community!  However, I'd be happier if I saw that same caring spirit from
> >> those at the top by them being willing to sacrifice for those at the bottom
> >> who can ill-afford *any* pay cut.  There's a *huge* difference, IMHO,
> >> between taking a pay cut that may cause you to have to skip one of several
> >> vacations this year or not be able to buy a new car and not being able to go
> >> to the doctor what with that $2300 deductible on the only coverage plan you
> >> could afford in the first place or not being able to buy your kids new shoes
> >> or being able to afford to pay your child support.
> >>
> >> The people I know at the lower end of the pay scales have a different
> >> attitude about these pay cuts:  they'd love to be in a position to be able
> >> to comfortably advocate for pay cuts to save jobs.  That doesn't mean that
> >> they don't prefer taking pay cuts to losing their own jobs, but it's a lot
> >> harder for them to swallow taking cuts that will threaten their families to
> >> save the jobs of others.  Some are very scared about how they'll manage to
> >> live with a pay cut.  And, I can't say as I blame them.
> >>
> >>
> >> JMHO,
> >> Saundra Lund
> >> Moscow, ID
> >>
> >> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
> >> nothing.
> >> ~ Edmund Burke
> >>
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> >> 70 years, Saundra Lund.  Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside
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> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
> >> On Behalf Of Joe Campbell
> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 5:50 AM
> >> To: Dickow
> >> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] State Faculty Union Responds to Financial Crisis
> >>
> >> This is a great post. I wonder why no one has responded.
> >>
> >> Joe Campbell
> >>
> >> On Apr 27, 2009, at 12:23 PM, Dickow <dickow at turbonet.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > The problem in my book concerning a 3% cut to state employees is
> >> > that it is, in effect, a direct tax on a special segment of the
> >> > state's population. The state would be making up its shortfalls at
> >> > the expense of state employees. I think that the state shouldn't be
> >> > thought of as an entity like a company, which might indeed have to
> >> > trim their employees in some form or other. But in in the case of
> >> > the state, the employees would be making a sacrifice that directly
> >> > benefits other people in the state, not the owners of a somel
> >> > corporation. A more equitable solution to the state's budgetary woes
> >> > would be to impose a tax of some kind on everyone in the state.
> >> > Then, everyone might have to kick back 1/2 percent or something, and
> >> > all would be well. But alas, raising taxes is political NO NO!
> >> > And... by the way, whatever happened to the state's Emergency Fund.
> >> > did they spend that already?
> >> >
> >> > Bob Dickow, troublemaker
> >> >
> >> > -----Original message-----
> >> > From: Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> >> > Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 09:37:18 -0700
> >> > To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
> >> > Subject: [Spam] Re: [Vision2020] State Faculty Union Responds to
> >> > Financial Crisis
> >> >
> >> >> I'm sorry to hear about your wife's situation, Roger. Staff is
> >> >> getting
> >> >> the worst of it at WSU, too.
> >> >>
> >> >> But I still think Nick has a point. Here is one way to put it. Would
> >> >> you or anyone else on this list be willing to "cut" your pay by
> >> >> giving
> >> >> 3% more to the state of ID to help prevent folks at UI from being
> >> >> fired? If you and others say "yes," then I'm on board, as well!
> >> >>
> >> >> Joe Campbell
> >> >>
> >> >> On Apr 27, 2009, at 10:03 AM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Joe
> >> >>> I do no want you or any one else to lose their job. I think that pay
> >> >>> cuts are preferable to layoffs.It is inevitably that some programs
> >> >>> will be cut. there are no students or very few for a class it will
> >> >>> be cut. My wife is staff in the PSES department at UI. She runs the
> >> >>> Soils Pedology Lab. She will receive an award for 40 years of
> >> >>> service today. She puts in 10 to 12 hours a day and does not get
> >> >>> comp. time. She had cancer in 2003. She had surgery, chemo,
> >> >>> radiation and the whole ball  of wax.  She is still suffering from
> >> >>> the after affects. She takes a lot of Ibuprofen and diuretics to
> >> >>> keep on going. She is not yet eligible for full Social Security.
> >> >>> <snip>....
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