[Vision2020] Harsh Interrogations

[bear at moscow.com]

SWORN testimony before the US Senate, 5 Feb, 2008:

George Bush personally authorized waterboarding for at least three
prisoners. That is now a fact. CIA Director Michael Hayden said this week
at a senate hearing that the CIA waterboarded 3 detainees. This is bad
enough by itself, but then on February 6th, Deputy White House Press
Secretary Tony Fratto explained that the process of waterboarding
detainees would require the President to approve of the use of the
technique on a case by case basis.


Or do you think the Director of the CIA, under oath, lied?


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> I am saying that waterboarding produces no lasting physical harm and
> provides information that saves lives. It is a matter of self defense.
> I could not reply directly to your pervious post. Can you verify that any
> of the abuses described in the the FBI report that Andreas posted were
> authorised by a higher authority? If not you just want to believe the
> worst. I am sick of these unsubstantiated accusations. Do a Warren
> Commission style investigation and put an end to it.
> Roger
>
> -----Original message-----
> From: Sunil Ramalingam sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 10:52:07 -0700
> To: vision 2020 vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Harsh Interrogations
>
>>
>> What's the difference?  Are you saying torture is legal and physical
>> mutilation isn't?  That certainly wasn't part of the prior discussion.
>>
>> It's illegal, it's wrong.  We managed to defend ourselves in World War
>> Two without the President issuing orders allowing torture.
>>
>> Are you saying we should have authorized torture then?
>>
>> You are defending the indefensible.  I can't understand why.
>>
>> Sunil
>>
>> > Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 10:49:30 -0700
>> > From: lfalen at turbonet.com
>> > To: sunilramalingam at hotmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Harsh Interrogations
>> >
>> > I am well aware of Hitchen,s opinion.  As I said before it may torture
>> but it does not raise to the level to physical mutilation.
>> > Self defense is a basic right. To not do so is suicidal.
>> > Roger
>> >
>> > -----Original message-----
>> > From: Sunil Ramalingam sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
>> > Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:51:02 -0700
>> > To: vision 2020 vision2020 at moscow.com
>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Harsh Interrogations
>> >
>> > >
>> > > Roger,
>> > >
>> > > The only people claiming that whether waterboarding is torture is
>> open for debate are people trying to defend the practice. It's
>> torture, plain and simple.  You referred to Hitchens. He called it
>> torture after he went through it. Here's a link to an article he
>> wrote about it:
>> > >
>> > > http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/08/hitchens200808
>> > >
>> > > I don't know how you can defend it or the use of other torture
>> techniques.
>> > >
>> > > Sunil
>> > >
>> > > > Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 10:48:50 -0700
>> > > > From: lfalen at turbonet.com
>> > > > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> > > > Subject: [Vision2020] Harsh Interrogations
>> > > >
>> > > > All
>> > > > Looks like you have all been busy since I was last on here.
>> > > > The reports sited by Andreas do not gel with those I have reported
>> on here previously.
>> > > > Every one should be opposed to torture for tortures sake or for
>> sadistic pleasure(Abu Ghraib).
>> > > > Whether water boarding is torture or not is open to question. In
>> any case it does not rise to the level of pulling  out finger
>> nails or pulling off arms. It it did ,I do not think that Oliver
>> North and Christopher Hitckens would have submitted to it.
>> > > > Any so called enhanced interrogations should be used sparingly. It
>> should only be used in those cases where it might prevent a major
>> attack.  It should never be a routine practice of the police force
>> or for that matter of the military.
>> > > > Tom has relatives in L.A. He might change his mind if there were
>> all wiped out by an attack on L.A. that could have been prevented.
>> > > > Roger
>> > > >
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