[Vision2020] Corrrected Web Link: Re: Jennifer Harbury: "Truth, Torture and the American Way."

[Ted Moffett]

>
> The link to Joan Baez's album info on "Baptism" on Wikipedia would not
> work, why I don't know.  Here is info on this album from another website:
>

http://www.schickele.com/shoppe/psrec/baptism.htm

On 4/27/09, Ted Moffett <starbliss at gmail.com> wrote:

>  Only for those who suggest I might reason in the absurd manner you
>> described to justify torture.  You will be forced to read Norman Rosten's
>> "Guernica" repeatedly, endlessly, with no sleep, till you collapse in
>> pacifistic exhaustion, after which Joan Baez's reading of this poem, with
>> musical accompaniment, from the album "Baptism," will be set on endless
>> repetition.  There is no escape!
>>
>> Guernica
>> by Norman Rosten
>>
>> In Guernica the dead children
>> Were laid out in order upon the sidewalk,
>> In their white starched dresses,
>> In their pitiful white dresses.
>> On their foreheads and breasts
>> Are the little holes where death came in
>> As thunder, while they were playing
>> Their important summer games.
>> Do not weep for them, *madre*.
>> They are gone forever, the little ones,
>> Straight to heaven to the saints,
>> and God will fill the bullet-holes with candy.
>> ------------------
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptism_(Joan_Baez_album)
>> ------------------
>> Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett
>>
>> On 4/27/09, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Are you suggesting, Ted, that . . .
>>>
>>> Because the US has utilized torture since Vietnam (a claim that I believe
>>> to be fact based on scenarios explained to me by friends while in the
>>> Army), that it is OK to apply torture tactics today?
>>>
>>> One torture tactic explained to me:  A Handful of NVA or VC POWs would be
>>> taken to an altitude of a few thousand feet in a Huey.  At that time they
>>> would be interrogated.  If there were no response, or if the interrogator
>>> did not like the response, the POW was tossed from the helicopter.
>>> Usually, by the fourth or fifth POW, the POWs were more than willing to
>>> provide answers to the interrogator.  Whether or not the answers were
>>> truthful is open for debate.  But, we all know how Vietnam turned out.
>>>
>>> Bottom Line:  Torture is torture and is simply WRONG!
>>>
>>> Tom Hansen
>>> Moscow, Idaho
>>>
>>> > http://www.booktv.org/program.aspx?ProgramId=6228&SectionName=
>>> >
>>> > http://www.booktv.org/program.aspx?
>>> ProgramId=6228&SectionName=&PlayMedia=No
>>> >
>>> > C-Cpan 2 tonight presented a lecture and question and answer session
>>> > featuring Jennifer Harbury, regarding her book "Truth, Torture, and the
>>> > American Way: The History and Consequences of U.S. Involvement in
>>> Torture."
>>> > Her presentation was the most informed, well reasoned and passionate
>>> > offering on this issue that I have ever experienced.  She made clear
>>> the
>>> > fact that torture as a tactic of the US military or US intelligence
>>> > operatives (CIA et. al.) has been utilized during and since the Vietnam
>>> War,
>>> > in Central America, and as we know, in Iraq and Afghanistan, and is
>>> thus
>>> not
>>> > a new development in the War on Terror since 9/11.
>>> >
>>> > I'm not sure her lecture and presentation will be run again on C-Span,
>>> but
>>> > it should be...
>>> >
>>> > Ted Moffett
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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