[Vision2020] State Faculty Union Responds to Financial Crisis
lfalen
lfalen at turbonet.com
Mon Apr 27 10:42:22 PDT 2009
That is what my wife is doing.
Roger
-----Original message-----
From: Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 10:37:18 -0700
To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] State Faculty Union Responds to Financial Crisis
> I'm sorry to hear about your wife's situation, Roger. Staff is getting
> the worst of it at WSU, too.
>
> But I still think Nick has a point. Here is one way to put it. Would
> you or anyone else on this list be willing to "cut" your pay by giving
> 3% more to the state of ID to help prevent folks at UI from being
> fired? If you and others say "yes," then I'm on board, as well!
>
> Joe Campbell
>
> On Apr 27, 2009, at 10:03 AM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
>
> > Joe
> > I do no want you or any one else to lose their job. I think that pay
> > cuts are preferable to layoffs.It is inevitably that some programs
> > will be cut. there are no students or very few for a class it will
> > be cut. My wife is staff in the PSES department at UI. She runs the
> > Soils Pedology Lab. She will receive an award for 40 years of
> > service today. She puts in 10 to 12 hours a day and does not get
> > comp. time. She had cancer in 2003. She had surgery, chemo,
> > radiation and the whole ball of wax. She is still suffering from
> > the after affects. She takes a lot of Ibuprofen and diuretics to
> > keep on going. She is not yet eligible for full Social Security.
> > There have already been severe cut backs at PSES. Sixteen positions
> > will not be filled. There are very few students in soils. If it were
> > not for the environmental students there would be even less. If
> > things get any worse she could be in danger. She is willing to take
> > the 3% decrease. Everyone else should also.
> > Roger
> > -----Original message-----
> > From: Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> > Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 19:48:06 -0700
> > To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] State Faculty Union Responds to Financial
> > Crisis
> >
> >> I am not guarenteed a job, Roger. As I understand it, cutting the
> >> department provides justification for firing me. That is how my chair
> >> explained it. I have some security, of course, and I'm thankful for
> >> that. But not of the sort you imagine.
> >>
> >> Joe Campbell
> >>
> >> On Apr 24, 2009, at 9:34 AM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> You are still guarenteed a job.In bad times that should be enough.
> >>> Why should not everyone share in the cuts? Why should you be placed
> >>> on an elevated pedestal at the expense of peasants(staff)?
> >>> Roger
> >>> -----Original message-----
> >>> From: Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> >>> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 19:30:51 -0700
> >>> To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
> >>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] State Faculty Union Responds to Financial
> >>> Crisis
> >>>
> >>>> Maybe I should have expressed my question more clearly, What is
> >>>> tenure
> >>>> without the salary? What do you get with that?
> >>>>
> >>>> Joe Campbell
> >>>>
> >>>> On Apr 23, 2009, at 8:43 AM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> All I am saying is that pay cuts should affect everyone, starting
> >>>>> with administrators. It makes no sence to cut the pay of those on
> >>>>> the lowest end of the pay scale while excluding those that make
> >>>>> more. If the rules for tenure do not allow for this, then the
> >>>>> rules
> >>>>> need to be changed.
> >>>>> Roger
> >>>>> -----Original message-----
> >>>>> From: nickgier at roadrunner.com
> >>>>> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 14:22:01 -0700
> >>>>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com, lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com, "Gier,
> >>>>> Nicholas" NGIER at uidaho.edu
> >>>>> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] State Faculty Union Responds to
> >>>>> Financial
> >>>>> Crisis
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi Roger,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If tenure protects base salary, as two legal cases indicate
> >>>>>> that it
> >>>>>> does, then a contract that invalidated that aspect of tenure
> >>>>>> would
> >>>>>> be illegal and no faculty member should agree to it.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Nick
> >>>>>> ---- lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> You are reading in things that arn't there. I said only that
> >>>>>>> future tenure contract should not lock in salaries in the event
> >>>>>>> that every one else takes a pay cut. In this narrow regard, no
> >>>>>>> one should be immuned.
> >>>>>>> Roger
> >>>>>>> -----Original message-----
> >>>>>>> From: "Gier, Nicholas" NGIER at uidaho.edu
> >>>>>>> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 14:01:58 -0700
> >>>>>>> To: "lfalen" lfalen at turbonet.com, nickgier at roadrunner.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
> >>>>>>> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] State Faculty Union Responds to
> >>>>>>> Financial Crisis
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hi Roger,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Here are your exact words:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> "If this is prohibited by tenured rules, these should be
> >>>>>>>> changed
> >>>>>>>> going forward. Contracts should be honored as the early retires
> >>>>>>>> contracts should be honored. The thing is do not make these
> >>>>>>>> kinds
> >>>>>>>> of contracts in the future."
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Perhaps you did not mean to say it, but you wrote this and it
> >>>>>>>> clearly implies that future contracts for faculty would not
> >>>>>>>> include tenure.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Nick
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>> From: lfalen [mailto:lfalen at turbonet.com]
> >>>>>>>> Sent: Wed 4/22/2009 1:53 PM
> >>>>>>>> To: Gier, Nicholas; nickgier at roadrunner.com;
> >>>>>>>> vision2020 at moscow.com
> >>>>>>>> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] State Faculty Union Responds to
> >>>>>>>> Financial Crisis
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I did not say anything about eliminating tenure, only that they
> >>>>>>>> should be subject to same rules as staff when it comes to pay
> >>>>>>>> cuts.
> >>>>>>>> Roger
> >>>>>>>> -----Original message-----
> >>>>>>>> From: "Gier, Nicholas" NGIER at uidaho.edu
> >>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 10:42:01 -0700
> >>>>>>>> To: "lfalen" lfalen at turbonet.com, nickgier at roadrunner.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
> >>>>>>>> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] State Faculty Union Responds to
> >>>>>>>> Financial Crisis
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Hi Roger,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> If you are suggesting that Idaho eliminate tenure, then
> >>>>>>>>> prospective faculty members will not apply for jobs on Idaho's
> >>>>>>>>> campuses. That of course would be disastrous for Idaho higher
> >>>>>>>>> education.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Tenure is necessary for academic freedom and that means,
> >>>>>>>>> after a
> >>>>>>>>> rigorous probationary period of 5-7 years, tenured professors
> >>>>>>>>> have career-long protection from political interference in
> >>>>>>>>> their
> >>>>>>>>> teaching, research, and service.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Nick
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com on behalf of lfalen
> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Wed 4/22/2009 10:39 AM
> >>>>>>>>> To: nickgier at roadrunner.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] State Faculty Union Responds to
> >>>>>>>>> Financial Crisis
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Nick
> >>>>>>>>> I agree with you on administrative position and athletics,
> >>>>>>>>> though not necessarily on tenure. If cuts do get down to staff
> >>>>>>>>> positions, it should also include tenured faculty. If this is
> >>>>>>>>> prohibited by tenured rules, these should be changed going
> >>>>>>>>> forward. Contracts should be honored as the early retires
> >>>>>>>>> contracts should be honored. The thing is do not make these
> >>>>>>>>> kinds of contracts in the future.
> >>>>>>>>> Roger
> >>>>>>>>> -----Original message-----
> >>>>>>>>> From: nickgier at roadrunner.com
> >>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 14:54:37 -0700
> >>>>>>>>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >>>>>>>>> Subject: [Vision2020] State Faculty Union Responds to
> >>>>>>>>> Financial
> >>>>>>>>> Crisis
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> IFT HIGHER EDUCATION COUNCIL RESPONDS TO FINANCIAL CRISIS
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On April 15, 2009 the Higher Education Council of the Idaho
> >>>>>>>>>> Federation of Teachers, AFT/AFL-CIO met in a phone conference
> >>>>>>>>>> to discuss the financial crisis.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Those present were Valia Tatarova, Idaho State University
> >>>>>>>>>> (physics); Lynn Lubamersky, Boise State University (history);
> >>>>>>>>>> Chris Riggs, Lewis-Clark State College (history); Lynne
> >>>>>>>>>> Haagensen, University of Idaho (art); Joyce Lider, North
> >>>>>>>>>> Idaho
> >>>>>>>>>> College (English); Susan Andrews, IFT Vice-President for
> >>>>>>>>>> Higher
> >>>>>>>>>> Education; and Nick Gier, IFT President.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I. Salary Reduction Proposal. According to a legal opinion
> >>>>>>>>>> from
> >>>>>>>>>> the AFT national office, academic tenure protects base
> >>>>>>>>>> salary.
> >>>>>>>>>> Tenure is a property right and at least two court cases have
> >>>>>>>>>> recognized that base salary is part of that property. The IFT
> >>>>>>>>>> Higher Education Council voted to oppose any salary
> >>>>>>>>>> reductions
> >>>>>>>>>> for tenured faculty. We join the BSU Faculty Senate
> >>>>>>>>>> President
> >>>>>>>>>> in vowing to file a case action suit if tenured faculty are
> >>>>>>>>>> forced to take a pay cut. In a related decision the IFT
> >>>>>>>>>> Higher
> >>>>>>>>>> Education Council voted that classified staff, lecturers, and
> >>>>>>>>>> non-tenured faculty be exempt from salary reductions and
> >>>>>>>>>> proposed that salary savings be taken from those making more
> >>>>>>>>>> than $100,000.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> II. Teaching positions should have priority over
> >>>>>>>>>> administrative
> >>>>>>>>>> positions. Nation-wide administrative positions have
> >>>>>>>>>> generally
> >>>>>>>>>> grown at a greater rate than teaching positions. The example
> >>>>>>>>>> of BSU is especially egregious: from 2005-2007 BSU had over
> >>>>>>>>>> 100
> >>>>>>>>>> more administrators than its peers but 191 fewer faculty
> >>>>>>>>>> members instructing students than peer institutions.
> >>>>>>>>>> Administrative salaries have also outpaced faculty pay.
> >>>>>>>>>> Since
> >>>>>>>>>> 1982 the salaries of 11 top UI administrative positions have
> >>>>>>>>>> increased 260 percent while full professor salaries increased
> >>>>>>>>>> 198 percent. (CPI for the period was 215.) (For more see <www.home.roadrunner.com/~nickgier/salaries.htm
> >>>>>>>>>>> .) The IFT Higher Education Council voted to recommend that
> >>>>>>>>>> administrative positions be cut before teaching positions.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> III. Appropriated funds are for academics not athletics.
> >>>>>>>>>> Since
> >>>>>>>>>> 1987 state subsidies for athletics at the UI has grown 338
> >>>>>>>>>> percent while appropriations for Idaho higher education has
> >>>>>>>>>> grown 159 percent. Currently the state subsidies for UI and
> >>>>>>>>>> ISU athletics are over $3 million. Since 1999 private
> >>>>>>>>>> contributions to UI athletics rose 246 percent, indicating
> >>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>> potential for it to wean itself, as any non-academic program
> >>>>>>>>>> should, from its state subsidy. (For more see <www.home.roadrunner.com/~nickgier/athletics.htm
> >>>>>>>>>>> .) The IFT Higher Education Council voted to request that
> >>>>>>>>>> state monies for athletics on all Idaho campuses be phased
> >>>>>>>>>> out
> >>>>>>>>>> over 4-6 years.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> IV. Program reduction procedures must be revised. In 2002
> >>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>> Idaho State Board of Education (SBOE) instituted new
> >>>>>>>>>> procedures
> >>>>>>>>>> for program reduction. At that time the IFT objected to a
> >>>>>>>>>> lack
> >>>>>>>>>> of protection for tenured faculty and requested that the
> >>>>>>>>>> procedures be revised. As no revisions have been made, IFT
> >>>>>>>>>> president asked in December 2008 for a legal opinion from
> >>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>> national office. The response was that these procedures
> >>>>>>>>>> undermine tenure and do not comply with Idaho law. (For more
> >>>>>>>>>> see <www.home.roadrunner.com/~nickgier/
> >>>>>>>>>> ProgramReduction.htm>.)
> >>>>>>>>>> The IFT Higher Education Council voted to urge the SBOE to
> >>>>>>>>>> revise these procedures such that tenured faculty have the
> >>>>>>>>>> same
> >>>>>>>>>> protection as under the procedures for financial exigency.
> >>>>>>>>>>
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