[Vision2020] State Faculty Union Responds to Financial Crisis
Joe Campbell
philosopher.joe at gmail.com
Thu Apr 23 19:30:51 PDT 2009
Maybe I should have expressed my question more clearly, What is tenure
without the salary? What do you get with that?
Joe Campbell
On Apr 23, 2009, at 8:43 AM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
> All I am saying is that pay cuts should affect everyone, starting
> with administrators. It makes no sence to cut the pay of those on
> the lowest end of the pay scale while excluding those that make
> more. If the rules for tenure do not allow for this, then the rules
> need to be changed.
> Roger
> -----Original message-----
> From: nickgier at roadrunner.com
> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 14:22:01 -0700
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com, lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com, "Gier,
> Nicholas" NGIER at uidaho.edu
> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] State Faculty Union Responds to Financial
> Crisis
>
>> Hi Roger,
>>
>> If tenure protects base salary, as two legal cases indicate that it
>> does, then a contract that invalidated that aspect of tenure would
>> be illegal and no faculty member should agree to it.
>>
>> Nick
>> ---- lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
>>> You are reading in things that arn't there. I said only that
>>> future tenure contract should not lock in salaries in the event
>>> that every one else takes a pay cut. In this narrow regard, no
>>> one should be immuned.
>>> Roger
>>> -----Original message-----
>>> From: "Gier, Nicholas" NGIER at uidaho.edu
>>> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 14:01:58 -0700
>>> To: "lfalen" lfalen at turbonet.com, nickgier at roadrunner.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
>>> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] State Faculty Union Responds to
>>> Financial Crisis
>>>
>>>> Hi Roger,
>>>>
>>>> Here are your exact words:
>>>>
>>>> "If this is prohibited by tenured rules, these should be changed
>>>> going forward. Contracts should be honored as the early retires
>>>> contracts should be honored. The thing is do not make these kinds
>>>> of contracts in the future."
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps you did not mean to say it, but you wrote this and it
>>>> clearly implies that future contracts for faculty would not
>>>> include tenure.
>>>>
>>>> Nick
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: lfalen [mailto:lfalen at turbonet.com]
>>>> Sent: Wed 4/22/2009 1:53 PM
>>>> To: Gier, Nicholas; nickgier at roadrunner.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] State Faculty Union Responds to
>>>> Financial Crisis
>>>>
>>>> I did not say anything about eliminating tenure, only that they
>>>> should be subject to same rules as staff when it comes to pay cuts.
>>>> Roger
>>>> -----Original message-----
>>>> From: "Gier, Nicholas" NGIER at uidaho.edu
>>>> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 10:42:01 -0700
>>>> To: "lfalen" lfalen at turbonet.com, nickgier at roadrunner.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] State Faculty Union Responds to
>>>> Financial Crisis
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Roger,
>>>>>
>>>>> If you are suggesting that Idaho eliminate tenure, then
>>>>> prospective faculty members will not apply for jobs on Idaho's
>>>>> campuses. That of course would be disastrous for Idaho higher
>>>>> education.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tenure is necessary for academic freedom and that means, after a
>>>>> rigorous probationary period of 5-7 years, tenured professors
>>>>> have career-long protection from political interference in their
>>>>> teaching, research, and service.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nick
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com on behalf of lfalen
>>>>> Sent: Wed 4/22/2009 10:39 AM
>>>>> To: nickgier at roadrunner.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] State Faculty Union Responds to
>>>>> Financial Crisis
>>>>>
>>>>> Nick
>>>>> I agree with you on administrative position and athletics,
>>>>> though not necessarily on tenure. If cuts do get down to staff
>>>>> positions, it should also include tenured faculty. If this is
>>>>> prohibited by tenured rules, these should be changed going
>>>>> forward. Contracts should be honored as the early retires
>>>>> contracts should be honored. The thing is do not make these
>>>>> kinds of contracts in the future.
>>>>> Roger
>>>>> -----Original message-----
>>>>> From: nickgier at roadrunner.com
>>>>> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 14:54:37 -0700
>>>>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>>> Subject: [Vision2020] State Faculty Union Responds to Financial
>>>>> Crisis
>>>>>
>>>>>> IFT HIGHER EDUCATION COUNCIL RESPONDS TO FINANCIAL CRISIS
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On April 15, 2009 the Higher Education Council of the Idaho
>>>>>> Federation of Teachers, AFT/AFL-CIO met in a phone conference
>>>>>> to discuss the financial crisis.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Those present were Valia Tatarova, Idaho State University
>>>>>> (physics); Lynn Lubamersky, Boise State University (history);
>>>>>> Chris Riggs, Lewis-Clark State College (history); Lynne
>>>>>> Haagensen, University of Idaho (art); Joyce Lider, North Idaho
>>>>>> College (English); Susan Andrews, IFT Vice-President for Higher
>>>>>> Education; and Nick Gier, IFT President.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I. Salary Reduction Proposal. According to a legal opinion from
>>>>>> the AFT national office, academic tenure protects base salary.
>>>>>> Tenure is a property right and at least two court cases have
>>>>>> recognized that base salary is part of that property. The IFT
>>>>>> Higher Education Council voted to oppose any salary reductions
>>>>>> for tenured faculty. We join the BSU Faculty Senate President
>>>>>> in vowing to file a case action suit if tenured faculty are
>>>>>> forced to take a pay cut. In a related decision the IFT Higher
>>>>>> Education Council voted that classified staff, lecturers, and
>>>>>> non-tenured faculty be exempt from salary reductions and
>>>>>> proposed that salary savings be taken from those making more
>>>>>> than $100,000.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> II. Teaching positions should have priority over administrative
>>>>>> positions. Nation-wide administrative positions have generally
>>>>>> grown at a greater rate than teaching positions. The example
>>>>>> of BSU is especially egregious: from 2005-2007 BSU had over 100
>>>>>> more administrators than its peers but 191 fewer faculty
>>>>>> members instructing students than peer institutions.
>>>>>> Administrative salaries have also outpaced faculty pay. Since
>>>>>> 1982 the salaries of 11 top UI administrative positions have
>>>>>> increased 260 percent while full professor salaries increased
>>>>>> 198 percent. (CPI for the period was 215.) (For more see <www.home.roadrunner.com/~nickgier/salaries.htm
>>>>>> >.) The IFT Higher Education Council voted to recommend that
>>>>>> administrative positions be cut before teaching positions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> III. Appropriated funds are for academics not athletics. Since
>>>>>> 1987 state subsidies for athletics at the UI has grown 338
>>>>>> percent while appropriations for Idaho higher education has
>>>>>> grown 159 percent. Currently the state subsidies for UI and
>>>>>> ISU athletics are over $3 million. Since 1999 private
>>>>>> contributions to UI athletics rose 246 percent, indicating the
>>>>>> potential for it to wean itself, as any non-academic program
>>>>>> should, from its state subsidy. (For more see <www.home.roadrunner.com/~nickgier/athletics.htm
>>>>>> >.) The IFT Higher Education Council voted to request that
>>>>>> state monies for athletics on all Idaho campuses be phased out
>>>>>> over 4-6 years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IV. Program reduction procedures must be revised. In 2002 the
>>>>>> Idaho State Board of Education (SBOE) instituted new procedures
>>>>>> for program reduction. At that time the IFT objected to a lack
>>>>>> of protection for tenured faculty and requested that the
>>>>>> procedures be revised. As no revisions have been made, IFT
>>>>>> president asked in December 2008 for a legal opinion from the
>>>>>> national office. The response was that these procedures
>>>>>> undermine tenure and do not comply with Idaho law. (For more
>>>>>> see <www.home.roadrunner.com/~nickgier/ProgramReduction.htm>.)
>>>>>> The IFT Higher Education Council voted to urge the SBOE to
>>>>>> revise these procedures such that tenured faculty have the same
>>>>>> protection as under the procedures for financial exigency.
>>>>>>
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