[Vision2020] 8 year old girl denied divorce

[Donovan Arnold]

Joe,
 
Sometimes I wonder if you got your PhD from a Cracker Jack's box. 
 
God tolerates all of man's sins, his only other choice would be to physically prevent us from sinning against any other person or removing our free will. Murder, rape, war, child molestation, theft, arson; are all things God tolerates in order to give us free will. 
 
It would be rather pointless to create humans and judge us if we could only do that which God wanted us to do, right, Mister Logic? 
 
Best Regards,
 
Donovan
 


--- On Thu, 4/16/09, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] 8 year old girl denied divorce
To: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
Cc: "Ralph Nielsen" <nielsen at uidaho.edu>, "vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>, "Joseph Campbell" <josephc at wsu.edu>
Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009, 7:17 AM



It is one thing to tolerate "that which we don't like," another to tolerate slavery. I don't tolerate slavery and I would think a benevolent, all powerful being would not tolerate it either. If you allowed me to remain as a slave AND you had the power to free me, you would not be benevolent. Period. 


Perhaps you should stop posting on such matters since you are making God look like an ass.

Joe Campbell

On Apr 16, 2009, at 7:01 AM, Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:









Joe,
 
Do you tolerate that which you dislike? Do we as society try to regulate that which is bad and evil?
 
Best Regards,
 
Donovan

--- On Wed, 4/15/09, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] 8 year old girl denied divorce
To: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
Cc: "Ralph Nielsen" <nielsen at uidaho.edu>, "vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>, "Joseph Campbell" <josephc at wsu.edu>
Date: Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 9:32 PM



"God tolerated slavery, and tried to regulate it"? What sense can this make? How can a benevolent being tolerate slavery? How can an omnipotent being try to do something and fail?

Joe Campbell

On Apr 15, 2009, at 4:51 PM, Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:









Ralph,
 
I quoted you "exactly". I didn't write the words, you did. it is clear by reading your words, you agree with Doug Wilson. 
 
I was simply following your lead. As you like to distort the Bible, and the meaning of what it means by taking things out of context, taking one line from one book, then another line for another, than ignoring the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, putting it together and drawing your own conclusions without any formal training or understanding of the Bible. 
 
God tolerated slavery, and tried to regulate it. Jesus was not pro-slavery. And Christians are not pro-slavery. 
 
 
Best Regards,
 
Donovan


--- On Wed, 4/15/09, Ralph Nielsen <nielsen at uidaho.edu> wrote:


From: Ralph Nielsen <nielsen at uidaho.edu>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] 8 year old girl denied divorce
To: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
Cc: "vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>, "Bear" <bear at moscow.com>, "Joseph Campbell" <josephc at wsu.edu>
Date: Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 9:29 AM



Donovan,


You do seem to like twisting people's words, don't you? I wrote, "Or, as Doug Wilson would put it, Slavery is biblical. I agree with Doug." SLAVERY IS BIBLICAL.


Bear and I did not say that we should support slavery because God approves of it in the Bible. Doug approves of slavery because it is biblical. I strongly disapprove of slavery, whether it is biblical or not. Whether God approves of it or not.


As for the KJV, it dishonestly translates the Hebrew word for slave as "servant." But do people buy and sell servants? If you sold your daughter for a servant, isn't that slavery? Honest translations of the Bible call a slave a slave. 


Ralph




On Apr 15, 2009, at 9:01 AM, Donovan Arnold wrote:






"Slavery is in the context of everything we read in the Bible. Or, as Doug Wilson would put it, Slavery is biblical. I agree with Doug."--Ralph Nielsen
 
I am sure Doug will be thrilled. I am equally sure the two of you will convince Christians they should support slavery because the Bible says you should according to Bear and Ralph's interpretations of the KJV. 
 
Best Regards,
 
Donovan


Date: Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 8:38 AM



Dear Donovan,


Bear is correct. You don't read the Bible very carefully, Bear does. Please read his comments again.


The Ten (not Two) Commandments did not come from Jesus, in the New Testament; they came direct from God, in the Old Testament. And they are not the same.


As for slavery, it is not condemned anywhere in the entire Bible, both Old and New Testaments, by either God, Jesus or anyone else. That is "the big picture," as you call it. Slavery is in the context of everything we read in the Bible. Or, as Doug Wilson would put it, Slavery is biblical. I agree with Doug.


Donovan, I think you're trying to discredit the Bible by making false claims about it.


Ralph





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