[Vision2020] National Service?

[Donovan Arnold]

Bear,
 
I think you misunderstood me. I am not saying National Service would be established for the purpose of indoctrination, just that it would likely happen. For example, if you required people to do it, you could sneak programs and belief systems into it, such as a creed of nationalism, D.A.R.E. Programs, etc. We do it with mandatory education programs for children, this would go to adults as well. A whole slew of special interest groups would be looking to tuck their program or requirement into the training and service. 
 
Second, I don't think everyone fits the generic term of service. Remember, most US Citizens pay taxes directly or indirectly, and this is a form of service. I go to work and pay 20%+ of my income directly to taxes. I pay more on the property taxes through rent, gas tax, license taxes, clothing, food taxes, medication tax, and I am sure more I don't think about. 
 
In addition, I think my jobs of working for a non-profit taking care of those with severe disabilities and the elderly is a service to the community, (especially considering the pay :P) and I am much better at it than something the government would pick for me. 
 
I think you are very correct that anyone that wishes to apply for a high paying government job should demonstrate they have contributed to their community in some way or fashion at some point. 
 
Best Regards,
 
Donovan

--- On Tue, 4/7/09, bear at moscow.com <bear at moscow.com> wrote:


From: bear at moscow.com <bear at moscow.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] National Service?
To: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>, "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>, bear at moscow.com, vision2020 at moscow.com, "lfalen" <lfalen at turbonet.com>
Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 1:06 PM


Donovan,

You missed my point, either intentionally or unintentionally.

First, national service is not a means of "indoctrination", and if it is, indoctrination
to what?

Second, national service would be an obligation to the community/nation for all citizens,
not 
just the few volunteers like it is now. 

It's easy for folks to fly a POW flag, or hang a yellow ribbon and feel good about
themselves, 
but what have they done to really advance either the community or to help those volunteers

when they do return to the community - NOTHING!  

Don't worry though, there are always folks who will step up and be counted when help is 
needed. There are always a few that will go into harms way and defend those that aren't
fit to 
even call themselves citizens. 

The first question I ask NOW when ever to comes to a local election, local appointments,
and 
even  positions like the UI president is: HAVE THEY SERVED? Did they put themselves out at
any 
point, in any type of service to the community or did they sit on their collective butts
and 
further themselves while others carried the spear, and now want to reap the rewards?  But
don't 
worry, most of them have hung out a yellow ribbon - an appropriate color for most of them!

It is because of this very national condition that events like Abu Grab occur. Do you
think a 
group of soldiers that were drafted would have  just stood by while the prisoners were
abused?
Do you think that a group of drafted soldiers would have stood around while "contractors" 
tortured
captives?

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