[Vision2020] Six gay men shot to death in Iraq

[Joe Campbell]

This is just the Bush policy. where did it get us?

Joe Campbell

On Apr 6, 2009, at 8:55 AM, Donovan Arnold  
<donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Joe,
>
> Yes. Just like Nazi Germany and Japan, or wipe them out. Do you  
> think we had a right to stop Nazi mistreatment of Jews, or was that  
> not a reason enough to remove a government?
>
> Joe, is there any crime that nation can do to a group of people that  
> you think gives a nation the right to take military actions against  
> that nation?
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Donovan
>
> --- On Sun, 4/5/09, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Six gay men shot to death in Iraq
> To: "Paul Rumelhart" <godshatter at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "vision2020 at moscow.com" <vision2020 at moscow.com>, "Donovan  
> Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
> Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 4:35 PM
>
> The advice seems to be: if you think they permit horrible actions,  
> then you can take over their country.
>
> Joe Campbell
>
> On Apr 5, 2009, at 2:11 PM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>  
> wrote:
>
>> Is this limited to Iraq, or should we declare war on everything  
>> that is non-American?
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> --- On Sun, 4/5/09, Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>  
>> wrote:
>>
>> From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Six gay men shot to death in Iraq
>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com, "Paul Rumelhart" <godshatter at yahoo.com>
>> Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 12:39 PM
>>
>> Paul,
>>
>> As a straight male, I am sure it is easy for you to dismiss out of  
>> hand, the horrendous crimes against minorities and woman in these  
>> societies and ignorantly try to compare them to US standards, by  
>> suggesting I single handedly handle the situation if I don't like it.
>>
>> But, you don't know what it is like to live everyday of your life  
>> in total fear that someone is going to kill you, even or  
>> especially, a family member or husband, If you did, you would not  
>> be dismissing this so readily.
>>
>> People that defend this, and protect this, enable these people to  
>> do this, and are just as guilty as those that do it.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Donovan
>>
>> --- On Sun, 4/5/09, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> From: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Six gay men shot to death in Iraq
>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com, "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com 
>> >
>> Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 12:08 PM
>>
>> George Bush grabbed a tiger by the tail, for no apparent reason,  
>> and now he's handed it off to us.  This isn't about "protecting  
>> their lifestyle".  It's about getting the hell out of there and  
>> leaving them to their own devices in as stable a way as possible.
>>
>> If it makes sense to you "wipe these societies out", then I'd  
>> suggest getting yourself a weapon and heading for Iraq.  Besides,  
>> it's not like no one has ever died in this country for the crime of  
>> being gay.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> --- On Sun, 4/5/09, Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>  
>> wrote:
>>
>> From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: [Vision2020] Six gay men shot to death in Iraq
>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 11:56 AM
>>
>> I want to know, from some of these liberals that want to protect  
>> the lifestyle of the Middle Eastern Nations, how you think these  
>> societies should be allowed to exist where people kill members of  
>> their own family, simply because of their sexual orientation. And  
>> not just kill them, but premeditated massacres.
>>
>> Afghanistan is voting on a bill that legalizes men to be able to  
>> rape their wives, and these are supposedly the "good people" in  
>> these societies. Pakistan's ruling Taliban set their women on fire  
>> for disobeying Muslim law, or their Husband. The Middle East forces  
>> woman to marry men they do not know, love, or even like.
>>
>> Doesn't it make since to wipe these societies out? Eliminate them  
>> while they are still small in size and limited in power? How many  
>> millennium must pass before woman, gays, lesbians, and those that  
>> are a little different stop being set on fire and shot before the  
>> world says, "ENOUGH! evolve already, of or we will destroy your  
>> Neanderthal cave man thinking society."?
>>
>>
>> BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Six gay men were shot dead by members of  
>> their tribe in two separate incidents in the past 10 days, an  
>> official with Iraq's Interior ministry said.
>>
>> http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/04/05/gay.deaths.iraq/index.html
>>
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