[Vision2020] Say What?

[Donovan Arnold]

Bear,
 
You stated our founding fathers, which include Adams and Jefferson, were terrorists. 
 
You are incorrect that the colonies representatives were not elected by the people. 
 
I never said all lawyers should be shot. I said the only way I would support an international court would be if all lawyers were shot in the back of the head. 
 
Nor do I view lawyers of the past the same as lawyers of today. The profession is entirely differently before the 1900s, which has become corrupted. 
 
The backers of the attacks on 911 all deserve to be in Gitmo. I don't care where they are from. Bin Laudin is in Afghanistan/Pakistan and is harboring him. I think the US has every right to do whatever it wants to get to him and his supporters, including the imprisonment of all men in the region. 
 
Personally, I don't think Afghanistan or Pakistan has even a right to exist as a self governing nation because of the way it treats woman, gays, lesbians, and those that are not Muslim. 
 
Best Regards,
 
Donovan

--- On Wed, 4/1/09, bear at moscow.com <bear at moscow.com> wrote:


From: bear at moscow.com <bear at moscow.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?
To: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>, "Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>, "vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>, "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>, bear at moscow.com
Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 4:43 PM


Donovan,

I'm sorry to find you saddened. But I never mentioned Adams, Hamilton or Jefferson, who, 
being lawyers YOU would just have shot out of hand - Remember, YOU said all lawyers should

be shot.

And again, you must be reading abridged history books, as there were NO states. There were

elected CROWN legislatures, that answered to PARLIAMENT back in London, that they turned 
their backs on their nation, the United Kingdom, and violated their oaths of office to the
Crown. 
And while the King was in fact the head of government, there was, as there is today, an 
ELECTED parliament..... remember the American REVOLUTION was in the late 1700's, not the 
middle ages when a king ruled without a parliament

And, I referred to "legitimately elected governments", I never said democratically
elected. Or is 
THE only legitimate form of government in your mind a democratically  elected one?

And as to attacking Afghanistan because they attacked us, WHERE? If you dragged out that 
argument  based on the New York and Washington attacks, the attackers were from Saudi 
Arabia, NOT Afghanistan!  But it seems that George Bush overlooked that. And who from Iraq

attacked us? Where? Or have you bought off on the WMD myth?

And while agree we can, and should LEGALLY detain terrorists  captured in the United
States, 
you really think we have the "right" to go into any country in the world and just seize
their 
citizens without any kind of due process? Because if you do, that means they can also come

here and snatch our citizens off of our streets and do the same.

And President Obama DOES NOT agree, that is why he has ORDERED the prison in Cuba 
CLOSED, his number is 202-456-1414, call and ask if you doubt that. And you can't really
be 
serious when you state that the prisoners in Guantanamo Bay Prison are better off in
prison 
than if they were free in their native countries.  
 


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