[Vision2020] [Bulk] Important Bill Maher Message

[Warren Hayman]

Wow! I did mean to tag that to the candidate forum clip! There went my 
credibility!

Warren Hayman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Warren Hayman" <whayman at roadrunner.com>
To: "Paul Rumelhart" <godshatter at yahoo.com>; "Chasuk" <chasuk at gmail.com>
Cc: "Vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] [Bulk] Important Bill Maher Message


> Thanks, Paul.
>
> I think this phenomenon at which we both shiver has been called "the 
> culture of fear" and, correlatively, the methods wherein promulgated "the 
> politics of fear."
>
> I find both well, fearful. They negate basic values of humanity and 
> dignity. They reduce a human being to an other, and in that intangible 
> reduction lies the seed for sprouting fear and hatred. Such a soil, if you 
> will, consists of the substrate "that which I am not," nurtured into the 
> ideatic progression of wrong >> bad >> evil. And of course some of the 
> inevitable fruits include ignorance, arrogance, disdain, divisiveness, and 
> hatred. All based on something within the concept of "not me as far as I 
> am willingly to admit, therefore unknown, deleterious, possibly fatal (or 
> something)." Too regretfully easy to slip down that slope, it seems.
>
> And what saddens me as much as anything is to hear a young(?) female (?) 
> voice here in Moscow asking whether Obama is Muslim. Follow the previous 
> logic with the word Muslim. Sad because the answer has been such a 
> foregone conclusion for some time now. Why not at least ask "Didn't he 
> formerly attend the church of an inflammatory Christian pastor?" But no or 
> not yet to that query even here in Moscow. Where are the critical thinking 
> and reading abilities absent from such a question? Or, Who has been 
> teaching/feeding her what, without the allowance of self-thought? Can 
> anyone still ask that question with any seriousness beyond an intent of 
> denigration?
>
> We then finally arrive back here on V2020 reading the amplified scrutiny 
> of someone's middle name, someone whose first name wasn't even spelled 
> correctly, even though the tougher "Hussein" was right. My middle name is 
> James, am I therefore synonymous with Duncan? Woe be it to any with the 
> name of Charles or Manson, Jim or Jones, Ted or Bundy. Not to mention 
> Adolph or Osama, somewhat common names within the respective cultures. I 
> find all this devastatingly sad, especially so in Moscow.
>
> Warren Hayman
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Paul Rumelhart" <godshatter at yahoo.com>
> To: "Chasuk" <chasuk at gmail.com>
> Cc: "Vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 12:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] [Bulk] Important Bill Maher Message
>
>
>>I meant to reply to this earlier.  This is a very important point.  For
>> those that haven't watched it or can't watch it, Bill Maher shows some
>> of the devastation from the train wreck at Chatsworth and of Hurricane
>> Ike.  He then makes the point that if this was the result of a terrorist
>> attack, we would have freaked as a country (my words).
>>
>> This is very true, and the point has been made here before.  This caused
>> me to think about something I've wanted to mention here before, but
>> couldn't get the words together for it.  Our reaction to 9/11 as a
>> country was in a way schizophrenic.  We reacted with extreme fear, and
>> we reacted with extreme "macho"-ness.  Those two reactions seem
>> contradictory to me, but I think the one comes from the other.  Being
>> "macho" is often done because of fear, or as a reaction to a fearful
>> situation.
>>
>> I would have liked us to have been truly macho in our response to 9/11.
>> We could have taken the attitude of "You want a piece of me?  Come and
>> get it!"  Instead of taking away liquids, lighters and nail clippers, we
>> could have given every person that boards a plane a big Rambo knife.
>> Just try to hijack a plane after 9/11 when everyone on board has a big
>> knife - even if you happen to have one yourself.
>>
>> I'm kidding about giving knives out on planes, but you get the idea.
>>
>> So, instead of being the person that gets shoved by someone who shoves
>> back and stands their ground, we were the bully that gets hit, runs off
>> crying, and then pounds on some little kid we don't happen to like when
>> the opportunity presents itself.  We justify it to ourselves because he
>> resembled the guy that shoved us, and we got to steal his lunch money.
>>
>> Thinking that the name Barack Hussein Obama is an insulting name is a
>> symptom of that fearful pretend macho-ness that has swept us down the
>> path of shamefulness on the world stage.  It's time to put our foot back
>> on the path we were originally on, don't you think?
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> Chasuk wrote:
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmCC_jasq0E
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