[Vision2020] Bill Ayers & Barack Obama

[lfalen]

Maybe you should look at Obama's connections to Fannie and Freddie.
Roger
-----Original message-----
From: Tom Hansen idahotom at hotmail.com
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 08:31:25 -0700
To: No Weatherman no.weatherman at gmail.com,  vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Bill Ayers & Barack Obama

> Care to discuss John McCain's relationships?
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> Where should we start?  His professional relationships with Fannie Mae and Fannie Mac?  His religious relationships with Rod Parsley and another pastor whose name escapes me for the moment?
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> Plea, No.  Make the choice.  Where should I begin?
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> Now, if you will excuse me.  I have a Farmers' Market to attend.
>  
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
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> > Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 09:06:29 -0600> From: no.weatherman at gmail.com> To: vision2020 at moscow.com> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Bill Ayers & Barack Obama> > Dr. Campbell,> > I don't buy your statement that you didn't read the whole post. You> obviously read looking for a "gotcha" and you found one — I didn't> quote the exact words of Dylan correctly. Thank you for pointing that> out. Perhaps we can call it the fallacy of majoring on the minors, or> harping on the irrelevant, because my misstatement did not affect the> content of the post. But that's all right, if it makes you feel> better, because you didn't misquote me — you merely fabricated> statements and imputed them to me. The logical error you're committing> is seeing words that don't exist. I rely upon your expertise to find> the name for this fallacy.> > For example, I never used the word McCain and I never said Obama is> "bad" or that you shouldn't "vote" for him, etc., just as I never> suggested, implied, or co!
 ncluded
that "it is OK to circumvent the> democratic process and cheat in getting a president elected as long as> your side wins." I never tried to justify Liddy's actions; in fact, I> wrote just the opposite. But these are all words and ideas that you> imputed to me. And just in case you're tempted to hurl a few more> personal insults at me, saying you could not understand the meaning of> my post, please note that Keely followed my point as did Tom and the> few folks who contacted me offlist. Therefore, I will try it one more> time.> > In my first post I applied your standard of disassociation to Barack> Hussein Obama and his longtime friend Bill Ayers. I segued to get the> subject back on point, which seems to be where you lost me. I tried to> confront you with facts that no liberal wants to address. These are> facts that no one in the msm has covered, probably for the same reason> no liberal wants to address them.> > 1. My first point was that Obama has a long-standing personal a!
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professional relationship with Bill Ayers.> > 2. My second point was that msm refuses to cover this fact and other> disturbing facts about Obama.> > For example, it's a simple historical fact that Bill Ayers is a> notorious domestic terrorist who intended to overthrow the US> government by violent force and it's a simple fact that Bill Ayers> launched Barrack Hussein Obama's political career from his living> room. It's a fact that Obama has written two memoirs and neither one> of them mentions his first and primary executive experience at CAC,> which raises honest questions about his role at CAC but apparently> doesn't register with you or any other liberal on this list. It's a> fact that a prominent member of the Democratic Party is challenging> Obama's legal standing to run for POTUS because of his citizenships in> other countries, but some people are satisfied with a jpg image file> on the worldwide web. Maybe they're still stuck on the bridge to> nowhere.> > Let me give !
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different kind of example. Let's say that you and I> both agree with candidate X across the board on every position except> for one minor point — he's a member in good standing of the KKK and he> proudly dons his robe in public. You can cry "guilt by association"> all you want, but I'm not going to vote for that man because this is> where you're wrong. As Kurtz said, it's not guilt by association; it's> guilt by participation. HE VOLUNTARILY PARTICIPATES IN A RACIST> ORGANIZATION.> > This is the sad reality of Barrack Hussein Obama that no one on the> left wants to acknowledge — especially the msm and not a few folks on> this list. Obama was a member in good standing of a virulent> anti-Semitic, anti-American church for 20 years, yet everyone gives> him a pass when he claims he never heard any of the toxic vitriol> spewing from Rev. Wright.> > Obama served side by side on CAC's board of directors with its> founder, Bill Ayers, who just happens to be a domestic terrorist,!
  yet>
everyone gives him a pass when he claims, "he's just a guy who lives> in my neighborhood."> > Obama blew millions of dollars on school reform when he served on> CAC's board of directors, yet everyone gives him a pass, which is> especially disturbing given the number of people on this list who are> education oriented. If Obama's opponent had thrown millions down a rat> hole in a failed school-reform program, this list would go sideways> with criticism. But no one says anything, as though it never happened.> > The list of Obama's failures is staggering and the list of questions> surrounding his background is equally staggering, yet few people on> this list appear to care and none of the msm care.> > Tell me Dr. Campbell, how do you account for this apparent black hole> in the political universe?> > I ask this question remembering the words of Dylan:> > "We live in a political world> The one we can see and feel> But there's no one to check> It's all a stacked deck> We all know !
 for sure
that it's real." ("Political World")> > 
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